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Now this is an interesting possibility. We've all been howling about how a fake reporter (with a history of prostitution) got into the elite White House press corps mere days after Talon 'News' was created.

WHAT IF he was already in the White House press corps prior to that ?  What THEN ? Is there videotape and/or audiotape from the Feb 28 2003 daily White House press briefing ?


This is in the run-up to the Iraq war, of course, and I just saw these tid-bits in a comment on Rawstory.

First:  'Jeff Gannon' brags on a forum about asking a question of Ari Fleischer on Feb 28 2003 - and curiously no mention that this was his first time in there:

#45 from Jeff Gannon on March 5, 2003 03:26 AM

This is a question I asked Ari Fleischer at a White House press briefing on Friday:

Q There have been reports out of Maine that the children of deployed service personnel are being harassed as a result of their elementary school teacher's expression of anti-war views in the classroom. Could you comment on that?

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not familiar with any specific report, but I can assure you that the President, in all instances, believes that it's important for all to honor and respect the first amendment.

Not the answer I was looking for, but at least I was able to get the issue in front of the mainstream press.




Questions & Comments

When did GannonGuckert first get in the White House ?

This apparently predates McClellan's press secretary tenure !

At the Feb 10 2005 gaggle, McClellan said, 'He, like anyone else, showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly, and so he was cleared two years ago to receive daily passes, just like many others are.'

McClellan also says:  'I think he's been coming for more than two years now.'  (Does this mean 2002 also ?)

Further, he says, 'No one's ever brought such an issue to my attention, in my -- during my time as being Press Secretary.'

And:  'My understanding was, when he started coming to the White House about two years ago, the staff asked to see that it -- that he represented a news organization that published regularly. And they showed that, so he was cleared and has been cleared ever since based on that time.'

Ladies & gentlemen, he did NOT represent Talon when he first got in the White House - 'Talon News' did not EXIST until Mar 29 2003 and that was LESS than 2 yrs ago.

Further we have a 'Jeff Gannon' claiming on Mar 5 2003 to have been at a White House press briefing where he asked Ari Fleischer the question above.

Was [update # 1:] Feb 28 2003 his first time in the White House - or does McClellan's 'more than 2 yrs ago' comment mean that 'Gannon' was in the White House posing as a reporter with NO NEWS SERVICE (not even Talon!) to hide behind.

This predates McClellan-as-press-secretary.

This gets curiouser.

[UPDATE # 2:]

And heeeeeeere's . . . a brand-new TERRALERT !

Officials Warn of Future Terror Attacks

1 minute ago White House - AP Cabinet & State

By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Speaking with one voice, President Bush's top intelligence and military officials said terrorists are regrouping for possible new strikes against the United States. . . .

Offering few specifics on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld warned that the government could reasonably predict attacks would come from terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and other means. . . .

[Update # 3:] Just for info purposes, McClellan was on the staff as deputy press secretary before he became press secretary. As a matter of fact, while he was deputy (and Fleischer was Press Secretary) McClellan did conduct a handful of 'gaggles' - Mar 30 2001, Apr 2 2001, Aug 9 2001, etc. Heck, even Karl Rove conducted one (co-conducted, w / 2 others) on May 29 2001! - what's on that videotape ?

Originally posted to RobertInWisconsin on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 12:58 PM PST.

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  •  Great Catch! (none) THIS sex story is worthy of an independent investigation....

    we know there was abuse of powers here (& not just abuse of a cigar)....

    •  Credit for the Feb 28 2003 catch (4.00)
      goes to

      I'll take credit for my own comments & questions only

      •  distributed cspan video viewing... (4.00)
        Someone start a new diary or put a request and assign video dates/periods for people here to view and report back if there is any "Gannon" in them.

        A hundred people viewing separate videos would get pretty quickly through all of them.

      •  You, sir, are a gentleman & a scholar (none)
        •  See my update of this diary (4.00)
          Guess what.

          Another TERRALERT !

          Dateline says '1 minute ago' on the newswire.

          Shocked ? Round up the usual suspects

          •  is this Terralert a distraction? (4.00)
            in hopes of getting us to lose our focus on Propagannon?
            •  WAG THE DOG (none)
              I Diaried on this the other day without getting much attention, but I think that's what's going on.

              Bush renominates rabidly conservative judges that have already been blocked--waste of time, but a news maker.

              Bush calls for expanding the Patriot act in Gonzales' nomination--there isn't much support for this, and trying to get it on the front burner this week is suspicious.

              Heck, bush probably ordered the bombing of the ex prime minister in Lebanon to distract things.  Failing that, he's certainly able to recall our Syrian envoy, which by itself is a newsmaker.  Please, the teleconference was invented so people across the globe don't have to get on an airplane to "consult," which is the reason given for recalling the Syrian envoy.

            •  I don't think so (none)
              They are trying to get Congress to pass the $80 billions for Irak.

              But, hey!  if it works for both purposes what a great opportunity

              Los Blogueros Faith-based Alternative Surrealism from Washington, DC

              by chechecule on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:51:55 PM PST

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          •  Either that or more hair on fire (none)
            As much as this administration has botched our national security, both on the foreign policy front and right here at home, I think another terror attack is inevitable.  With our spies in the far corners of the earth busy torturing people and creating more terrorists, they are too busy to actually gather any information on the terrorists that already exist.

            While raising the terror alert every now and again, say right after the Democratic convention, is political, so is another attack.  The lulled masses are starting to wake up and say, WTF?  How much is this shit costing us?  I'm watching for breaking news of a "twarted attack" to cushion the blow when the real one hits.  

      •  Robert, amazing catch. (none)
        "This apparently predates McClellan's press secretary tenure !"

        It ALSO predated Talon News.

        Off to do analyze this baby...

        again, THANK you for a great catch!

        If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

        by Georgia Logothetis on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:23:15 PM PST

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        •  This should be the last time (4.00)
          I write this here, but I'm beginning to wonder that maybe the 'press pass' is NOT the way he got in the WH.  How could it have been ?  They were saying a few days ago 'he worked for Talon News' - well his appearance in the elite WH press corps pre-dates Talon.

          So now what ? How did he get in the WH during the WoT ? It may not have been a press pass - so what was it ?

          And didja see just now what they did ?  Just a couple minutes ago - on the news wire - another Terralert ! What a shocker.

          •  So what level are we at? (4.00)

            See my diary for info on why the right hates Sesame Street.

            "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government" - Teddy Roosevelt

            by mrboma on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:27:38 PM PST

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          •  Which also means (none)
            that any statement that Scotty made to the effect that Gannon's employer was checked out as a news organisation, however incompetently checked, was a lie.

            Fleischer would not have done the legwork himself, but Scotty might have. In any case they would have to have seen a report that Gannon was legit. It could not however have contained any mention of Talon as any kind of organisation at all.

            So what did it contain?

            "Till the Last Dog Dies"

            by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:33:32 PM PST

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        •  Scott (none)
          worked in the Press Office before he became Press Secretary, yes?
          •  he was deputy PS (none)
            Scott McClellan is the White House press secretary; having promoted to replace Ari Fleischer as press secretary after he left the post on July 14, 2003. Previously he served as Deputy White House press secretary, Fleischer's assistant.

            McClellan, 35, began working for President Bush, in 1999 as the deputy communications director, when Bush was the governor of Texas. He served as the traveling press secretary during the 2000 Presidential Campaign.

            McClellan comes from a Texas political family. His mother, Carole Keeton Strayhorn, is the Texas state comptroller. and former mayor of Austin. McClellan is a three-time campaign manager for his mother.

            His brother, Mark McClellan, the oldest of Scott's three brothers and now commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and a former adviser to Bush.

            His grandfather was the law school dean at the University of Texas


            If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

            by Georgia Logothetis on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:06:59 PM PST

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        •  Now there is video (none)
          ...and yes, that's smarmy ol Gannon alright.  What I'd like to know is, what "news service" did he claim he worked for to get the day pass to that briefing?  

          Or did he just claim it was an "escort service?"

          "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

          by hopesprings on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:04:14 PM PST

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      •  hey, hey, hey (none)
        anyone care to investigate why ari abruptly resigned?

        mayhaps he got wind of guckert and didn't want to play?

        If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

        by Georgia Logothetis on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:24:51 PM PST

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        •  Ari Fleischer... (4.00)
          ...would do whatever Bush told him to do.  If Bush (or any other senior staffer for that matter) told him to crap on his lectern, he would have done it dutifully.
        •  Ari leaving (none)
          I think Ari found it a little harder to lie than Scottie does...and the heat was on when Ari left just prior to the war.

          Can someone give me the info about where JJ/DD "trained' for $50.? I think that should be my next "investigation"  I suspect this is a ring and the 'training center" is really a "orientaion/placement" for male-prosties looking for lucritive positions

        •  That question has been haunting me too. (none)
          Ever since this whole Gannon story broke, I kept thinking about Ari, and his quick resignation, and no one has heard a word from him since. At first I thought they made a real fool out of him with the whole WMD thing. Ari was convinced there were WMDs in Iraq. He must have been privy to something we found out much later. Not one word about Ari, not from the Bushies, or from the RWCM, it is like he fell off the earth.
      •  IntelligenceSquad.----Thanks For Super Job (none)
        Keep up the great we know that before Talon, Jeff Gannon was slithering in Press corp at WHouse. This conspiracy has EVERYTHING!... Sex in the Press Room....A plant [gay prostitute], with gay websites [and the chutzpah to feel   immune]; while  backed by so much power! Posing nude, spread eagle, [for all to see ], is over-reach of territorial hubris we have not yet seen . IntelligenceSquad, please look for expense sheets, porn movie rentals, restaurant tabs, gay baths, etc., and WHO patronized Gannon, [let alone bankrolled him prior to Talon], during and after. Where does he live, pay his expenses., etc.?  This is a guy who had accesss to info on a covert CIA operative [Plame], and should be prosecuted, along with anyone who passed this to him.  You have done a remarkable job of investigative journalism!  
    •  Watch what you say! (4.00)
      Did Gannon appear AFTER Ari Made that remark?

      Gay Boat Fake Journalist Marine Players for Truth wants to know.

      Gannon's links appear on the swift boats site as well. Along with a fellow GOPUSA and even Armstrong Williams, his story was called "The Massachusetts Butcher".

      He interviewed Rove mano e. mano.

      And he's got a purdy head to pat.

      The watch clue- a watch with a compass? Go North young man. His idol is a Marine- Ollie North is close to him.

      By the way, Guckert stood next to Scot Robinson the woman kicker at the RNC. He was  the person who pushed the woman down until secret service arrived.

    •  Give this piece to your fellow Texan (none)
      CourtTV's Catherine Crier is sticking with the story.  Her interest is both the fishy nature and the security issues. This speaks to both.
      Each day something else turns up!

      Did they really trick us into wart with a male prostitute sitting in the front row? This is way too good to be true.

      Are they really this loose? What else is out there? Go get 'em boys....

  •  GREAT catch! (4.00)
    Can you continue to research what news organization he was representing then, getting Kossacks to volunteer?

    Then you can come over to the Propagannon web site and enter your research in.

    This is fantastic!

    •  WHERE is the propagannon website? (none)
      Sorry I should've bookmarked it by now
      •  Here ... (4.00)
        It's in its pre-beta testing phase, but lots of people are gathering so we can fine tune it and add information.


        •  SusanG (none)
          I think it's time for another (1-page max) press release summarizing the info - namely, that GuckertGannon was in the elite White House press corps PRIOR to Talon News even existing

          It then raises a whole new line of questioning about why he got in the WH period, not to mention the elite WH press corps

          •  Yes, our crack PR team (4.00)
            Is working on at as we speak.
            •  Intriguing Question SusanG (none)
              It then raises a whole new line of questioning about why he got in the WH period, not to mention the elite WH press corps
              The press can dismiss his access to the WH press corps as the result of his work for Talon, even though Talon is flaky and Gannon was/is a whore ("who would've known"). But if he got into the WH on his own, there's likely to be some legs here to wrap around the media with. Especially given Gannon's dark history as a pimp, whore, and a shill.

              Iraq is deja vu all over again.

              by chuco35 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:48:21 PM PST

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              •  And another thing... (none)
                It's worth pointing out that Guckert/Gannon/whoever didn't even make an application to the Capitol Hill press corps until February 2004.  A year before he does this, Feb 28th, 2003, he's there in the White House as we've seen here.  On April 7th, 2004, he's turned down for a Capitol Hill pass.

                So not only was he turned down for a Capitol Hill pass, but he was attending the White House briefings for a year before he even applied for one.

                You can see the .pdf of the committee report here.

                Damn, this is confusing.  Have I got the chronology right here, or am I just nuts?

                "I describe myself as a museum-quality tax-and-spend bleeding-heart knee-jerk liberal." -- Garrison Keillor...

                by greenknight on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 08:50:14 PM PST

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                •  GOTCHA! (4.00)
                  In previous threads on this subject, Scott McClellan(sic?) was quoted as saying the wh press secy. doesn't control press passes.

                  But in today's column by Mo Dowd, she makes this statement:

                  "At first when I tried to complain about not getting my pass renewed, even though I'd been covering presidents and first ladies since 1986, no one called me back. Finally, when Mr. McClellan replaced Ari Fleischer, he said he'd renew the pass - after a new Secret Service background check that would last several months."

                  (Emphasis Added)

                  So clearly, Scotty boy DOES control the passes. Which means he approved Guckert/Gannon, AND that he was using an alias--Something else Scotty has denied knowing about.

                  Dowd's Article HERE

                  When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

                  by mlkisler on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 10:56:49 PM PST

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    •  Started with in January 2003 (none)
      I recall there was some discussion about this in earlier diaries
      So he would have been reporting under their news service at the time.
      •  Yeah...he could have.... (none)
        But you should not be getting a press pass when you work for an agency called GOPUSA
        •  Working for GOPUSA (none)
          So what is the difference in getting a press pass for working for GOPUSA and getting a press pass for working for FOX News.  Aren't they both right wing organizations masquerading as news media?
          •  Nothing. (3.66)
            Remember, it's only the Senate Press Gallery that has expressed any problem with Guckert's relationship with GOPUSA, not the White House. They apparently only care that you "publish regularly."

            Is that dumb? Sure. Should they stop allowing it? Of course. Is it indicative of bias? Very likely. Am I Donald Rumsfeld? Absolutely.

            •  But Does GOPUSA Publish Regularly? (none)
              I'm not so sure that GOPUSA meets even this definition. I also wouldn't doubt that Gannon got into the WH regularly way before Talon, on his own talent and without any backing from a "news" source.

              Iraq is deja vu all over again.

              by chuco35 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:55:51 PM PST

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              •  Of course you're not sure. (none)
                Because what is this definition? Nobody knows.

                But it's an awful lot easier for me to believe that the White House press office would be willing to define "regular publication" very loosely for an outfit called "GOPUSA" than it is for me to believe that someone thought the simpler method to gaining entry to the executive mansion was to entrap officials in a prostitution ring.

    •  JD's organization (4.00)
      He was representing the Hot Military Studs news service, obviously.
    •  mjo's MUST READ diary (none)
      on Propagannon - to my knowledge this is all new info:

      Read and recommend now before it goes into bitland heaven!

      "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:08:31 PM PST

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    •  Bombshell Ameriblog 02/14/05 Gannon report (none)
      for those who have not seen it yet here.

      Was this guy was travelling with the president on campaign trail last year?

  •  Only thing Gannon was publishing regularly (4.00)
    At that point was, um,

    Well, you know what it was.

    No, seriously, this would extend the period when Gannon was still actively soliciting escort business and, at the same time, throwing the White House softies.

    •  EXACTLY (4.00)



    •  Softies... (4.00)
      now your just yankin' my guckert

      (a tip o' the hat to Bob  Johnson...)

      "Whatever they want the answer is no. Now is not the time to fold, now is the time to up the ante." -- Charles Pierce

      by baba durag on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:21:05 PM PST

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    •  I just cannot fathom where this story (4.00)
      might be leading. It's all so patently ridiculous -- which doesn't make any of it untrue, of course.

      My whole reaction, as this keeps getting worse and worse, is simply WTF?

      Imagine if you will this conversation at the White House...

      "Gee, Jeff, I want to thank you for coming over.  I really needed that."

      "No problem.  Usual time on Thursday?"

      "You bet.  So, what are you going to do with yourself the rest of the day?"

      "Oh, I dunno.  I figured maybe I'd wander around the West Wing a bit, pop in on some other people I know. After that, I guess I'll go down to the press room, pretend I'm a reporter, maybe ask some goofy questions on NATIONAL FREAKING TELEVISION.  You know, same old, same old.  Got nothing better to do till tonight -- gotta date with a four-star general."

      "Heh heh, you dog you!  'K, say hi to Ari for me."

      They say the truth will set you free. Me, I feel like the truth is going to leave me feeling like I need to take a shower in pumice and broken glass.

      •  Where this story is headed (4.00)
        In view of this ever-shifting timeline, I ran a Lexis-Nexis search of the "Office of Strategic Influence," that propaganda machine cooked up by the Pentagon in early 2002.  While the operation was supposed to have been shuttered shortly after its existence was made public, I wondered whether it might've continued to exist is some capacity ... and then I found this interesting bit of info from The Independent (London), dated December 17, 2002:


        BYLINE: Andrew Buncombe In Washington

        THE PENTAGON is considering a plan to establish covert propaganda operations in countries it considers its allies in order to improve America's image and discredit hostile factions.

        The plan, revealed yesterday by The New York Times, involves efforts to undermine the influence of mosques and religious schools, perhaps by establishing moderate Islamic schools with US funding. Other suggestions being considered include paying journalists to write stories favourable to the United States and hiring contractors without obvious ties to the Pentagon to organise rallies and demonstrations in support of US policies.

        (My emphasis.)  Skipping ahead ...

        Official sources in Washington said the plans - contained within a classified policy document entitled 3600.1: Information Operations - were being pushed by the more hawkish elements of the Pentagon and did not have the support of the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

        Last February Mr Rumsfeld was forced to dismantle the Pentagon's Office of Strategic Influence (OSI) after it was revealed that there were plans to provide false stories and "black propaganda" to foreign journalists.

        But Mr Rumsfeld suggested last month that while the OSI had been dismantled, its work was continuing. At a press briefing he said: "I'll give you the OSI's corpse. There's the name. You can have the name, but I'm gonna keep doing every single thing that needs to be done."


        So ... is Gannon a by-product of this plan?  I realize the original intent was to shape foreign opinions and media coverage, but what's good enough for Iraq is surely good enough for the U.S.!

        •  FWIW (none)
          I think that's great speculation.  An angle that will be difficult to follow, but worth the effort.
        •  Is Gannon a byproduct? (4.00)
          Gannon has said he moved to DC in response to 9/11. Getting a job to be a fake journalist might be a response to 9/11.

          (Come to think of it, how weird is it for an ex-marine to respond to 9/11 not by re-enlisting...but by moving to DC to pick up influential tricks?)

          •  You know... (4.00)
            (Come to think of it, how weird is it for an ex-marine to respond to 9/11 not by re-enlisting...but by moving to DC to pick up influential tricks?)

            Wow.  That, my friend, is a f---ing brilliant observation.

            I'm embarrassed to say I never thought of it that way, but you're damn right.  How weird, indeed...

            •  We need to figure out why he moved (none)
              IMO, that opens this up. He moved in 2001 with a purpose. I'd like to know why he moved.
              •  we need to know if he moved to DC (none)
                AT ALL.

                Nothing is coming up with a D.C. address.  No connection to D.C. whatsoever.  DE, yeah.  But still, we have yet to pinpoint his move from PA to DE...still looking...

                If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

                by Georgia Logothetis on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:00:16 PM PST

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                •  And here (none)
                  I was hoping that a Yahoo! people search would show-

                  Guckert Ja
                  1600 Pennsylvania Av
                  Washington DC 20500
                  (202) 456-1111

                •  Good point (none)
                  Although I wonder if, in his mind, he made a career move after 9/11. Still commuting from DE (making it easier to date guys from PA down to DC). But he did say he moved to DC in 2001.
                  •  Could have commuted... (none)
                    I was born and raised in DE and my fahter commuted to D.C. two - three times a week for about 15 years. It can be done. Amtrak goes through Wilmington, straight line to D.C. (I understand that's how Biden gets back and forth to work), and he could have done that too, quicker than driving through Baltimore to D.C.

                    He may not have moved at all until he started spending time in the White House; or then again, maybe not even then.

                    "Things will not calm down Dr. Jackson, they will, in fact, calm up!" - Tilk, Stargate SG-1

                    by 2care4others on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:26:34 PM PST

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                    •  Oh, so THAT'S why he resigned (none)
                      Because Bush cut off Amtrak's funding, not because we outed his real identity?

                      Hmmm. If I were Bush and I wanted to get rid of a little ex-boyfriend trouble, I'd just cut funding for his "ride."

                •  Where is he living right now, today? (none)
                  Or ... dare I say, with whom?
                •  According to US Search ... (none)
                  James D. Guckert has had 2 addresses in Newark, DE, 5 addresses in Wilmington, DE, and one address in Cincinnati, OH.  Absolutely nothing about him living in D.C.
                  •  Got street names for the DE ones? (none)
                    I realize it may be in poor taste and if you don't want to share I understand, but if you wouldn't mind sharing, it would probably help us to figure out what the price ranges of those addresses are.

                    "Things will not calm down Dr. Jackson, they will, in fact, calm up!" - Tilk, Stargate SG-1

                    by 2care4others on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:33:54 PM PST

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                    •  Address information on Gannon (none)
                      I only ran a name search, to see whether US Search had anyone in their database who fit Gluckert's profile -- I didn't go the extra step and pay the $30 (IIRC) for their profile information.  I figured the more important stuff would be available via a public records search, and I wasn't disappointed:

                      Delaware has only three counties, and Wilmington is in New Castle County.  There's a site called that will take you to the public records databases for most places around the U.S.  Not every kind of public records search is free, but enough are (marriage, land transactions, etc.) that you can usually find what you're looking for.

                      Case in point:  New Castle County's police site has a searchable database of registered sex offenders, so I checked there just to see if Gluckert had that additional black mark on his resume.  (Answer:  no.)

                      More fruitful was the general public records search for New Castle County.  While nothing showed up under the name "Gluckert" (rather surprisingly, given Gluckert's statements about how his family was being harrassed -- implying that his mother lived close at hand), I had a bit more luck when I keyed in "Bedrock Corporation":  namely, the incorporation date for Gluckert's company:  6/19/1997.

                      You can run the same search by following this link:


                      Even though the full two-page document isn't available online, they have it on file, which means if someone can get over to the New Castle County records office we can find out whether this was a solo operation, or whether there are any other traceable names involved in Gluckert's business.

                      Anyway, at the very least this raises the question of what Gluckert was up to between June of '97 and when he started having the porn sites that we know about designed and uploaded.

                      •  Ahhh (none)
                        his last name is Guckert... not Gluckert.

                        You may want to look again if you used the L in his name.


                        Mitch Gore

                        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

                        by Lestatdelc on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:50:21 PM PST

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                        •  Just did a double-check ... (none)
                          and nothing turned up under "Guckert."  I'm fairly certain I didn't make that error when I ran the original search, but I've also caught myself inexplicably sticking in an "l" on more than one occasion.  Thanks for catching the mistake; I'd hate to miss something important in a search because of that.  :-)
                          •  No worries (none)
                            BTW, that search engine was interesting. Do you have URLs for other counties and states with similar online record searches?

                            If so, you should consider putting up a dKospedia page with them, as it is a good investigative tool.


                            Mitch Gore

                            Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

                            by Lestatdelc on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 10:11:23 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  Hmm (none)
                        Can you try your searches again with Guckert (not "Gluckert").
                        A few posts above you have it correctly spelled, but here - you consistently spell "Gluckert".
                        And thanks for the effort!
                      •  Maybe because his name's "Guckert" (none)
                        and not "Gluckert".

                        "Those who betray the trust...are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors." - George HW Bush

                        by DavidW in SF on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 02:01:42 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  Thanks... (none)
                        but I'm fully aware Delaware only has three counties. I was born and raised there, and for that reason was thinking that if someone had addresses we might be able to pinpoint what kind of price range(s) he was living in, may become helpful to figure out what his financial circumstances were, just as a clue I mean.

                        I understand one of those addresses was Kennett Pike in Centreville (my brother used to have a small starter house in Centreville).

                        So are you saying with the proper spelling of Guckert instead of Gluckert (I've never made that mistake btw, not sure why, I see no luck in the man's name at all, more like a curse apparently) you have found no Delaware addresses?

                        Sorry if I seem a little high and mighty about the Delaware thing, I grew up in the small wonder, and being that I lived there for over 25 years, it's kind of funny having someone explain to me the demographics of my own home state. It's one of those things I guess, we used to travel and when people would ask where we were from, they would say "Delaware? I've never heard of it". We'd tell them "it's only the FIRST state".

                        My apologies if I came off a little brash.

                        "Things will not calm down Dr. Jackson, they will, in fact, calm up!" - Tilk, Stargate SG-1

                        by 2care4others on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 04:09:13 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                •  On the talon news site... (none)
                  before they removed all info on their reporters, it said that he lived on capitol hill.

                  luckily talon news has been way backed so its old sites are saved... his bio info is here.

                  The few, the proud, the literate.

                  by Cathan on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:57:52 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Of course he lived on Capitol Hill (none)
                    - in what congressman's closet??

                    SpongeBush SquarePants: SpongeBush lives in a bubble in D.C./absorbent and shallow and porous is he! - - Maureen Dowd

                    by sara seattle on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:24:39 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Wonder Where That Picture Was Taken (none)
                    Sure would be interesting to know where he was sitting when that picture was taken.

                    Can anyone enhance the picture enough to see the titles of any of the books on the shelf?  

                    What is that sign that is partially blocked?

                    Wonder what the inside of Rove's office looks like?

                    Sooner or later this is going to come full circle back to Rove.  (No pun intended.)

                •  Probably has a DC address... (none)
                  None of the Press Pass conversations have mentioned that he was turned down because of residence.  Hard Pass owners have to have DC area residence according to some of the previous information gathered.

                  So my guess is that he did have a DC address.  Perhaps he was sharing space?

                  True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. --Martin Luther King Jr.

                  by Phoenix Rising on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:34:43 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

              •  Hmmm. Let's see. Bush and Co move to DC in '01, (none)
                Gannon moves to DC in '01.  I've been thinking about this some.  Talon News/GOPUSA in Texas.  McClellan from Texas.  Fleisher lived in Texas working for Gov Bush?  Can we pin Gannon down in Texas prior to '01?  Seems like maybe he could have moved to be near someone special....
                •  Great question (none)
                  I confess I did not grasp the connection between Gannon-the-prostitute and possibly gay WH staff until today.  

                  Maybe his 'friendship' with a WH employee goes way back and can be traced to Texas?

                •  Guckert in Texas? Folks, thus far all roads have (none)
                  led back to Texas.  I've googled "Guckert Texas" and keep coming up with Denise Guckert that was originally mentioned back when this whole search started.  Is it possible that Denise is his mother or sister and he went to TX to live with her?  This Denise is also described as a "Technical Specialist" and her name pops up all over the place in Ausin, TX - where Scott McClellan is from and where the President's wife gave her an award and a grant.  Either that or she could be married to Guckert's brother.  I believe somewhere along the way he mentioned his brother's family being threatened (which I find total BS.)

                  Could be nothing, but I find it incredible that Guckert moves to DC around the same time that Bush Co moves in and I suspect that he knew somebody in Texas quite well before the move.....

            •  Do we know (none)
              if he IS a Marine?  he says he was but... who you gonna believe?  Maybe he just likes to fuck Marines.  Anybody know how to check if he was in the service?
          •  Talon Search (none)
            How weird?  Well, it wouldn't be weird at all if you've gone to work for a Pentagon operation that's fighting "the war against terror" ... using disinformation.

            Some folks over at DU have brought up some really interesting questions concerning the raison d'etre of Talon News:


            Very much worth taking a look at.

            •  Makes sense (none)
              in a twisted kind of way.

              This WH operates almost exclusively on disinformation -- Rumsfeld, Rove, press secretaries.

              There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

              by Mnemosyne on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:19:34 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  WAS he an ex-marine? (none)
            That has not been proven. Is there anyway anyone can find that out?
          •  Is that weird? (none)
            I don't know enough about that aspect of the military to know. What serious service options are there for a (then) 44-year old ex-E-4?
          •  He was/is military. (none)

            Provocative line of inquiry.


            Mitch Gore

            Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

            by Lestatdelc on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:55:55 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Not necessarily (none)
          "but what's good enough for Iraq is surely good enough for the U.S."

          Their kids HAVE health care AND good schools. Ours don't (always).

          When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

          by mlkisler on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:57:36 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  His byline began appearing (none)
      in the "News" section of GOPUSA on 1/15/02.  Guess we need to go back on look at those articles.  Do we have a full library of these somewhere that is easily accessible?

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

      by Marie on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:31:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bet it wasn't softies he was throwing (none)
      Not to Mehlman and the sisters....

      You can never be too rich, too thin, or too cynical.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:32:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  So what you're saying here... (none)
      "this would extend the period when Gannon was still actively soliciting escort business and, at the same time, throwing the White House softies."

      ...Is that he is both a "catcher" AND a "pitcher"?
         <all together now--GROAN!>
           </gay slang>

      When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

      by mlkisler on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:03:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Think of it though --- - (none)
        "Journalists" can come and go at all times of the day/night without "arising" too much interest by anyone else -- a good "disguise" - - if anyone should ask - oh I am a journalist - not the hired guy for the week-end!!

        At least you would hope that the "hired guy for the week-end" would peek someones curiosity - though with this White House - who knows.

        SpongeBush SquarePants: SpongeBush lives in a bubble in D.C./absorbent and shallow and porous is he! - - Maureen Dowd

        by sara seattle on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:30:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Ameriblog 02/14/05 Gannon bombshell report (1.50)
      for those who have not seen it yet here.

      Was this guy was travelling with the president on campaign trail last year?

  •  Someone definately asked that question (none)

    I would rather be with the people of this blog, than with the finest people in the world!

    by Blue Neponset on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 12:59:47 PM PST

    •  The link is already in the diary (none)
      Sorry for the repeat.  

      I would rather be with the people of this blog, than with the finest people in the world!

      by Blue Neponset on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:35:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Where is the Audio/video link??? (none)
      did it vanish?

      I don't see it on the 3/5/03 Briefing transcript.

    •  Interesting (none)
      I remember hearing about that story and it being used all over as an example of how horrible the Bush-hating Democrats were. I've also noticed over the last couple of days that Guckert was able to "plant" more than one of these stories into the mainstream press through questions at White House press conferences. So, I guess where this leads me is: how coordinated was this? Guckert seems to have been the guy who read these questions of the talking points which then allowed the right wing press and the compliant whores in the RWCM to spread the propaGannon far and wide. Now, the questions still begs to be answered: Why was a male prostitute hired to be the one to do this under a fake name when there are hundreds if not thousands of willing right wingers with journalism degrees who would have thrown the same softball questions? Also, what other stories can we pin on Gannon/Guckert for getting into the press jetstream?
  •  Audio recording (4.00)
    The audio of the question starts at 31:50.
  •  Argh, stupid (4.00)
    I'm wanting to view the video to make sure it is him (or at least see if i can) isntead of just ripping someone else's question and claiming to have asked it.  except it keeps telling me the darn server insn't in the dns

    Phil Bredesen for ME...oh wait I'll only be old enough to run for Congress. (1st Congressional District of Tennessee)

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:02:56 PM PST

    •  oh man (4.00)
      the cspan feed as a camera shot of him

      VERY clear. i'll post a screenshot if i can

      Phil Bredesen for ME...oh wait I'll only be old enough to run for Congress. (1st Congressional District of Tennessee)

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:09:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  recommended - GREAT CATCH (4.00)

    Ladies & gentlemen, he did NOT represent Talon when he first got in the White House - 'Talon News' did not EXIST until Mar 29 2003 and that was LESS than 2 yrs ago.

    At 31:51 (.ram) of the audio of the press conference on February 28, 2003, the voice asking this question is CLEARLY Guckert's:

    Q There have been reports out of Maine that the children of deployed service personnel are being harassed as a result of their elementary school teacher's expression of anti-war views in the classroom. Could you comment on that?

    Guckert was in the briefing room on Feb. 28, 2003.

  •  Here's the link ... (none)
    to the web site where Gannon claims he asked the question:

    •  he posts as "Jeff Gannon" (none)
      and his name is linking to

      Same guy.

      •  'Gannon' (4.00)
        had THIS to say about Fleischer's resignation:

        White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer to Resign
        By Sarah Wagner
        Talon News
        May 20, 2003

        WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer announced Monday that he will resign from his position before the President's re-election campaign takes off.

        . . .

        Talon News White House Correspondent Jeff Gannon expressed surprise at Ari's announcement. "There was no indication that Ari would be leaving any time soon," Gannon said. "Ari has skillfully handled a sometimes hostile and unruly crowd in the press room."

        Pentagon spokesman Victoria Clarke and Republican strategist Ed Gillespie have been named as possible replacements. However, many predict the job will go to White House Deputy Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

        "Scott McClellan would be an able successor to Ari Fleischer," Gannon added.

        . . .

        Even though it's NOT a 'Gannon'-authored article it still has been WIPED from their website.

        SOURCE (CACHED)- %22ari+fleischer%22+%22jeff+gannon%22&hl=en

      •  This would make sense (4.00)
        Bobby Eberle thinks he is a "journalist", not a blogger, and that writes "news stories", not blogs.  From the July 18, 2004 USA Weekend article (my favorite quote bolded):

        An alternative voice

        Bobby Eberle, 36, is a deep-dyed Texas conservative who doesn't like the term "blogger," slang for someone who posts regular musings on a Web site. Eberle writes old-fashioned news and commentary, but he's part of the revolution because he does it from his Houston home, often late at night after his kids are asleep.

        In fact, Eberle has a full-time day job -- engineer for the space program -- and even with the help of 50 volunteers from around the country, his Web site, GOPUSA .com, amounts to a second career. "I really don't get much sleep," he says.

        GOPUSA started less than four years ago with 400 regular readers and now reaches about 300,000 a day. In addition to Eberle's columns, it runs news and commentary from outside contributors, all on the right. Says its founder: "A core of people out there believe the so-called mainstream media is corrupt." The key to his success, Eberle says, is maintaining professional standards, because the Web attracts a lot of blowhards: "Just because you're on the Web doesn't make you credible."

        "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:36:48 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Howler (4.00)
          Did he say 'blowhards' ?

          Which definition was he using ?

          •  More funnies from Eberle (4.00)
            Which blowhards...uh...he said...blow...hard...<Butthead chuckle>

            Check out Eberle's interview w. Joe Scarborough (I know - it's like listening to someone interview themselves in a bathroom mirror):

            February 15, 2005



            BOBBY EBERLE, PRESIDENT, GOPUSA: Well, I think it's very important, Joe.

            One of the things we see, you're talking about the story of -- people have talked about the Democrats attacking President Bush. Well, in this case, the attack is going through the media. In this case, CBS is being a willing accomplice to a story that is meant to disparage the president. And before, the left had this monopoly on the news. But now, with the advent of cable news networks, with the Internet, with all sorts of talk radio, all sorts of other media, no one gets a free pass anymore.

            And it's up to the outlets if they are called on the carpet to come clean. Retractions are printed all the time. And if there was some bogus data down low that got fed up the food chain, it's up to CBS to say, here's what happened. Here's what's going on.

            Otherwise, they destroy their credibility. It's another nail in the coffin of credibility. And they look like they're supporting the Democrats and have an agenda of their own. And that only goes to the claims of what Republicans and those on the right have been saying for quite a while.


            SCARBOROUGH: Now, what about your news site? It's called I know Democrats would say, well, your agenda is electing Republicans and electing George W. Bush. What's the difference between what you're doing and what conservatives accuse Dan Rather of doing?

            EBERLE: Well, here's the difference.

            At, we have got news and commentary. And our news comes from Talon News, which is a separate company that feeds just straight news into us and other news outlets, Web and print, across the country. And what we can say is, you know, if you guys see a story that you don't like on GOPUSA from Talon News, let us know about it.

  's like, layered propaganda...

            "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:10:28 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'm choosing a different quote... (4.00)
              this one is HUGE

              And what we can say is, you know, if you guys see a story that you don't like on GOPUSA from Talon News, let us know about it.

              Just blows out of the water any inclining that Talon was a news organization or independent.... try and spin that one Eberle/ McClellan et al.

              Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

              by spiderleaf on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:23:38 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yes...use of the royal "us" (none)
                don't quite help him establish the "independence" of Talon, does it?

                "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

                by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:39:51 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  And (none)
            "just because you are on the web does not make you credable". But you can still get in the WH press corp breifing room? Man what an absolute crock of shit.  

            The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

            by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:45:28 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  BAD ROBERT! (none)
            "Did he say 'blowhards'? Which definition was he using?"

            You get a "4" for punishment.

            When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

            by mlkisler on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:28:52 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  300,000 'readers?' (4.00)
          The 300,000 figure, is that hits per day, or is it the addresses on his SPAM list?

          To thine own self be true - W.S.

          by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:13:59 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Eberle - > Guckert = Giuliani - > Kerik (4.00)
          Note the similar modus operandi.  Once Kerik got attention for his unseemly past actions, he immediately disappeared from the Giuliani Partners website, followed by an announcement that the subsidiary with his and Giuliani's name on it would be renamed.

          Now that Guckert is shown to be, well, Guckert, he too is scrubbed from a web site, GOPUSA/Talon in this case.  (Along with posts by Eberle, as if he'll be "infected" by the scandal merely by having posts in the same venue where Gucker's once were.)

          The "rewriting of history" via site scrubbing seems to be thing with these plutofascists.

          "Sufficient unto the day is the newspaper thereof." - Joyce / Ulysses

          by baked potato on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:54:26 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Memory Hole (none)
      Has the site been added to the memory hole?

      Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

      by mataliandy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:21:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  He is (4.00)
    so looking like Bush's main man.

    There was a rumour this summer about Bush and mayor of a medium size city, being very friendly.

    I know I should not say this but if Bush were in denial about being gay himself, it would explain a whole hell of a lot. The drugs, alcohol, macho posturing, workout obsession, uptight wife,conversion etc.

    Not to mention the many gay people around him.

    •  W's Suspected Special Friend (4.00)

      The "mayor of a midsized city" romantically linked to President Bush by rumours is Victor Ashe, formerly the Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee.

      Mr. Ashe was appointed by President George W. Bush to be Ambassador to Poland, his present position.  this took him out of the United States during election season.

      I believe Mr. Ashe was Mr. Bush's roommate while both men were students at Yale.

      "I did not like fascists when I fought them as a diplomat . . . and I don't like them now in my own country." (Joe Wilson)

      by proudtinfoilhat on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:39:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Perhaps... (4.00)
        Perhaps that's why bush was so feverish about reminding everyone, "Don't forget Poland!"
      •  I think..... (4.00)
        ...I'm far from sure, but I think I heard that Mr. Ashe is pretty much openly gay.
      •  Anyone remember (none)
        when George commented on the attractiveness of the Canadian PM's press secretary at that conference in Mexico?

        Uh... I found a link (ironically enough from the 'Lavender Lounge gay sex blog), but be warned its NWS, the original site wants you to pay to read the article but this one has almost the entire thing.

        Mr. Bush met Mr. Reid earlier this week at the summit in Monterrey, Mexico, just after the President's breakfast with Mr. Martin.

        Mr. Reid was not initially in the hotel room where the two leaders and their closest advisers met, but was called in to brief the Prime Minister at the end as the group waited for the media.

        Mr. Bush wandered over during Mr. Reid's chat with the Prime Minister. Mr. Reid introduced himself and shook hands with Mr. Bush.

        "Well, what do you do for this guy?" the President asked as he pointed to the Prime Minister.

        "Well, you know, sir, I can't really say," Mr. Reid said. "It's not that I don't want to. It's just that, you know, I don't really know from day to day."

        This is true. Mr. Reid handles a number of files and performs a number of different duties, depending on the issue and the day.

        The President chuckled. "Well, you got a pretty face," he told the surprised Mr. Reid. He wasn't done. "You got a pretty face," he said again. "You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway."

        There's more at the link, but um, don't go if you're offended by 'guckerts.'
    •  It also (4.00)
      explains his attraction to Laura in a weird way. I'm gay and I actually really like Laura. Gays always choose beards that are kinda like her. Non threatening. Pretty clothes. That sort of thing.

      But this is all wild speculation on my part, you know.

    •  Come on folks (none)
      Enough with the rumor-mongering already. This is weird enough as it is, and in any event, the sex is not important--it's the propaganda, the hypocrisy, the lying, and possibly even the treason.

      Let's stay focused. Please.

      (I mean, you might even be right but we don't know that and we need to stick to things that we know right now.)

      •  Who are YOU kidding? (none)
        It's about the SEX!  

        Enquiring minds want to know....Ya know?   :o)

           </bad joke>

        When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

        by mlkisler on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:32:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  re: lets stay focused (none)

        "the sex is not important--it's the propaganda, the hypocrisy, the lying, and possibly even the treason"
        Him pretending to be happily married, straight, honest, decent...IS about all those things!  You'll never KNOW anything for sure until you open your mind to what you do NOT KNOW for sure. The sex is just the "smoke" rolling out of the window alerting us that our "house" is on fire.  The REAL FOCUS is getting him out of the house and to stop all the damn fires of destruction. Bush destroys everything he touches...that's what he's about, destroying so he can remake it the way he wants it.
        We  shouldn't limit our thinking...the natural free flow of ideas is what makes our republic great.  No one here is attacking his sexuality, only discussing it as part of the bigger picture he tries to deceive us with.
        •  that's not what I meant (none)
          Running down all leads is great, don't let me stand in your way. But everyone needs to perform a quick check of their BS detector, and a rumor that says Bush is gay makes mine go off like crazy. (Which isn't to say that it isn't true; it's just that we have zero hard evidence for that.)

          That and the gay jokes that have steadily accumulated on this site over the past two weeks are starting to bug me. Things are moving very fast, are still accelerating and there's no apparent end in sight so it would behoove everyone to take a deep breath (1....2....3....4....5....6....7....8....9....10) before posting something that's extra wild. (BREAKING: GANNON IS A MARTIAN!!!!!!!) As outlandish as this story has gotten, there is still plenty of crap out there that's just crap.

          You are right to point out that Guckert asserted he was married. I'm not very interested in that, however; I am interested in how in the hell he got issued a daypass to the WH somewhere in the neighborhood of 730 times ( = 2 x 365).

          I hope that was more clear.

          •  Actually Nota (none)
            While I don't have a fully functioning gaydar, Bush has been seeting mine off since I saw him sashay up the steps of AF1 a few months after he was installed.

            That was supported by his early habit of draping himself, limp wrist and all, over the lecturn at his speeches (they've weaned him off that) and by his very fetching lip purse.

            The man has screamed repressed gay to me since 2001. I have no evidence beyond half a lifetime in theatre surrounded by gay and lesbian people, mostly gay.

            But within that context, Guckert is the one ringing the bells, not Bush.

            "Till the Last Dog Dies"

            by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:59:25 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  I agree (none)
            ....saying Bush is gay is a surefire way to get this whole thing relegated into "tinfoil hat" land.

            And we don't care that if he's gay or not, do we?  (Though Laura might...sorry, couldn't resist.)

            "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

            by hopesprings on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:07:57 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  You want the SCLM (none)
        to pick up on this or not? You reminding us (and them) that this is not about sex I'm afraid will turn them off from the entire story. Just a li'l strategy talk, ya know. :)

        Restore Democracy!

        by high5 on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 04:35:09 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Isn't Scottie's mother (none)
      a mayor somewhere in TX?

      The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

      by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:49:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Austin, TX (none)

        "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government" - Teddy Roosevelt

        by mrboma on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:48:26 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Not mayor, comptroller (none)
          Carol Keaton rylander, Strayhorn ei-ei-oh
        is the Texas state comptroller, not Mayor of Austin, that would be Will Winn. She is a nasty little oger of a woman, and a pure politician. I can see where her son would have a thing for Marine hookers of the masculine persuasion.
        •  Scotty's mom (3.50)
          Actually I have a much higher regard for her than either of her boys.  She may have higher political ambitions, but she is good at her job and has sure delivered more hard truths than Gov. Goodhair Perry.  Most folks think she was angling a run at Gov., but if Kay Bailey decides to come home and run herself....

          I just hope they work it out and don't split the vote, because I will probably be voting in my FIRST republican primary this spring.  Either of those ladies is far preferable to Goodhair Rick.  

  •  This is a big find. (4.00)
    Keep on digging - who was Man-Whore 'writing' for when he was first allowed to start playing softball in the White House?

    And who let him in the back door?

    SANTORUM: 1. Frothy mix of lube and fecal matter, a byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator from Pennsylvania.

    by HollywoodOz on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:10:01 PM PST

  •  link to all briefings (4.00)

    But that only gives a transcript- I can't seem to get to video to see how far back he goes.  Any ideas on how to get our hands on that?

    "Revolutionary change does not come as one cataclysmic moment...but as an endless succession of surprises, moving zigzag toward a more decent society."

    by saint on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:11:56 PM PST

  •  how awesome (none)
    would it be if Gannon's pre-Talon access occurred without him having ANY press credentials at all. In other words, someone just gave him a pass and failed to list a company or simply made one up.

    I mean we all know TALON was a complete and total bs set up organization, but if he was asking questions to Ari without even a Talon alibi, that would be curious, to say the least.

    Shil, shill, shill, shill.

    •  Gnat! (none)
      It DID occur prior to Talon News' existence !

      Look at my original post !  This isn't a matter of 'if' anymore . . .

    •  to get past the guards at the gate (4.00)
      you have to have some kind of pass, or be on a list of people OK'd, is my understanding.

      So, IF Gannon/Guckert were in the press room sans pass, he would have had to be on some kind of OK-list in order to get past the guards and in the door of the building.

      How nice it would be if this administration actually followed the law and would respond to a FOIA.

      There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

      by Mnemosyne on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:56:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  GOPUSA (none)
      Could it be that Gannon had said he wrote for GOPUSA?  They initially let him in, but then the next time or within a few weeks, they realized that that wasn't nearly good enough cover, so that's why Talon was created?
      •  I think so. (none)
        I don't see why that wouldn't get him a day pass just as easily as the Talon cover. The only thing the White House has been willing to say -- and for all our digging, nobody yet has come up with any hard evidence to the contrary -- is that day pass applicants are asked if they "publish regularly." I'm sure there are more questions, but nobody has been able to come up with any information about them.

        The information we have uncovered is that the Senate Press Gallery -- not the White House -- was less than satisfied with Talon's independence from GOPUSA.

        So far, I haven't seen anything that would suggest that White House policy would exclude even something as blatantly obvious a partisan organization as GOPUSA.

        Of course, neither have I seen any sort of White House policy of any kind.

    •  GOPUSA (none)
      has been described as a "Political Think Tank."

      I believe I saw that in Rachel Marsden's bio saying she worked for GOPUSA, a Washington DC Political Think Tank. Sounds good for a mere vanity website.

      Possibly, JG got in the White House as an employee of a GOPUSA.

      To thine own self be true - W.S.

      by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:20:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  huh (4.00)
    Well... in perusing some old press briefings, I looked at the first on Sept. 11, 2001... and found this exchange.  
    Surprising or new, not really... but in light of the now well known 52 WARNINGS- This quote made me choke...

    "Q Had there been any warnings that the President knew of?

    MR. FLEISCHER: No warnings.

    Q Does the President ? is he concerned about the fact that this attack of this severity happened with no warning?

    MR. FLEISCHER: First things first: his concern is with the safety of people who have lost their ? the health and security of the American people and with the families of those who have lost their lives. There will come an appropriate time to do all appropriate look backs. His focus is on events this morning."

    My ass.

    "Revolutionary change does not come as one cataclysmic moment...but as an endless succession of surprises, moving zigzag toward a more decent society."

    by saint on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:15:40 PM PST

    •  No warnings? (4.00)
      52 f'ing warnings is no warnings?

      Why was Ari fired/quit/whatever?

      The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

      by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:34:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  He exceeded his lifetime (4.00)
        allocation of lies and had to be removed for institutionalization.

        A moment of resistance; a lifetime of capitulation.

        by lapin on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:32:06 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  ROTFLMAO (none)
          Lapin...that was mean. Been working for a few hours and come back to see that replay. Thank God we all still have our senses of humour.

          The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

          by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:11:24 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  I think he had too many lies, even for him (none)
        Towards the end of Ari's tenure, I really got the feeling he was starting to feel distressed by the constant dance he had to do.

        He left right in time not to be considered leaving Bush in the lurch for his reelection...

        "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

        by jbeach on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:19:22 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  To be fair (3.66)
      I doubt the WH Press Secretary would be privy to such classified materials, so Ari could very well have been answering truthfully as far as he knew.

      Not that he isn't one of the slickest liars ever, I'm just sayin'.

  •  This is a stupid question (4.00)
    but how does one take a screenshot of a real player video? its not working for me.

    If you know how, and want to yourself, the money shot is at 32:05 of cspan's feed:

    It's the second thing on this page

    Phil Bredesen for ME...oh wait I'll only be old enough to run for Congress. (1st Congressional District of Tennessee)

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:15:56 PM PST

  •  screen shot (4.00)
    from the Feb. 28, 2003 WH press conference on C-SPAN:

  •  Catherine Crier Live. Court TV 5 pm et/pt coverage (none)
    i am only pimping my recent diary since show starts in 40 mins, please recommend so others see it. i am link-impaired.
    •  Fucking McGowan (none)
      (from the WSJ) just had the fucking nerve to wrap up his take (that only the Plame angle matters, the rest is just a "tempest in a teaspoon"), by saying, and this is practically verbatim: "The problem is the bloggers.  Blogging can be used for good or it can be used for ill, and here it has been used for ill."

      WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

      His comment was absurd, and Crier did a great job disagreeing with this.  More than that, though, this insanely stupid remark came out of nowhere, like he was on a mission to say this, somehow, somewhere, and not having had a segue to do so, he just blurted it out when his time ran out.  

      the problem is the bloggers?  no, dumbshit, the problem is letting non-journalists take up a very hard to get seat for two years.  the problem is no one, apparently, vets favored applicants for those seats.  and the problem is also that non-journalist is a prostitute, and may be able to bypass the nation's highest security levels solely because he's fucking a gatekeeper.

      McGowan is a dumb fucking shill.  But what do you expect from the WSJ.

      No matter how cynical you become ... you can never keep up.

      by LegalSpice on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:11:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You need to watch Charlie Rose (none)
        Last night he had 4 bloggers,
        Wonkett, Instapundit, A. Sullivan, J. Trippi

        They had a fine analysis of blogging and what it bodes for the future for good AND ill.

        See if you can find a PBS transcript for Feb. 15th.

        To thine own self be true - W.S.

        by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:54:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Here Here! (none)
          I enjoyed that show, saw it last night.  Watch if you can.
        •  Bloggers on Charlie Rose (none)
          Before GOP shuts out any good PBS shows, watch Rose show with Bloggers.  He, and others should have more....MyDD, DailyKos,TalkingPointsMemo,  etc., as it appears TV is catching up with reality. Newspapers don't "get it".  They think we all blog in underwear or pj's, and as that great scribe, Howard Kurtz of WPost says, "in garages and basements". [ Not only square, but derogatory and untrue.] The media, aside from being cowed, are lazy and unhip about what is realy happening. Whatever happened to investigative journalism?
      •  Bad blogger! Bad! No more internet for You! (4.00)
        Same exact spin on NPR Day-to-Day yesterday here

        I think the WH is really frightened about this story getting out, and they are pulling out all the stops to try and shut it down.

  •  Question (4.00)
    When did he first apply for credentials to Congress? It is possible he was already in the White House under the GOP USA banner, wanted to get a permanent pass, was told GOP USA wouldn't cut it, so they created Talon?
  •  I see the gannon/guckert blog swarm (none)
    didn't make the on air list of the psuedo blog coverage on CNN.  They can continue to try and hide the story but it ain't going to work.  I'm going to be posting on as many blogs today as possible.  Everyone please do the same.  
    •  That 'blog' news (none)
      was beyond annoying.  It is inadequate, meant to divert people, and to confuse.  I did not hear about one blog that even was close to being top tier.  but admittedly did not listen to all of it.  
  •  Who was it who said ... (4.00)
    This is the story that keeps on giving?

    Was it Olbermann, even before the gay protistute angle came out?

    Man, he wasn't kidding.

    •  *Timeline now from this article and it's comments* (4.00)
      So the timeline goes like this?

      Article under Jeff Gannon:  Conservative Monitor in November 2002.

      The GOPUSA news archives began with 1/1/03
      Gannon byline in GOPUSA:  in the "News" section of GOPUSA on 1/15/03.

      Question to ARI:  Feb 28 2003 WH Press Briefing  
      Picture confirms Guckert was in the briefing room on Feb. 28, 2003.

      Response on blog:  #45 from Jeff Gannon on March 5, 2003 03:26 AM referencing that question

      Talon begins:  Mar 29 2003

      Ari Fleischer resigns May 2003
      Gannon states Scott Mclellan is best candidate May 20, 2003

      My mother's menu consisted of two choices: Take it or leave it. - Buddy Hackett

      by kfred on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:26:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  you can find gopusa news archives from 2002 (none)
        They are available on the wayback machine if you look for news/2002 in the hierarchy. I looked through the individual stories -- many were UPI, but there were GOPUSA 'reporters' among them, including Bobby Eberle. I didn't see any from 'Jeff Gannon' -- but it may be worth a closer look.
    •  yes, olbermann (none)
      "the scandal that just keeps giving"
  •  why do bloggers have to do this research? (4.00)
    don't you think that the legimate white house correspondents would remember gannon and know something about him?  they are surprisingly quiet on this. almost complicit.

    A fool and his money are soon partying. Steven Wright

    by Sargent Pepper on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:22:02 PM PST

    •  Because we are the only ones who care -- (4.00)
      all the media big stars just have to look pretty for the cameras and they keep their gigs.  All the wannabes are more likely spending their time and money on making themselves look pretty too; why do investigations and reporting when none of that stuff will lead to promotions and more money.

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

      by Marie on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:28:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  They've all been told (none)
      they won't be called upon and may even be kicked out of the WHPC if they start talkin'...

      And we don't know details on them that the WH does, and is holding over them...or their employers...

      Yesterday we stood at the abyss; today we are taking a step forward.

      by peeder on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:41:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Need to Find One to Query (none)
      off the record, probably on condition of never ever being quoted or referred to.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:02:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  How would we know? (none)
      How would we know if mainstream reporters were doing research? They don't publish their research, if any. They only publish finished stories.

      Bloggers publish their works in progress. That's great, but it also allows for the publication of stories that still have tremendous holes in them, and stories that are based on speculation.

      Still, in all, I'll take it. It's an alternative format, with alternative rules, and I'll take it.

    •  Media Is Scared and Oh, ...So Quiet. (none)
      Bloggers are doing this because the Media is scared witless of reprisals from Maison Blanch. They know full well how explosive and corrupt this is, and how far it goes, and are terrified to do a real investigative job [as they should]. There has to be a sexual cesspool there [along with highly damaging stuff], and methinks that is why they won't touch this,[ unless Bloggers force them to]. White House Press corps certainly have seen this creep around for a long time, and know plenty, but are too frightened to blow[?] the whistle.
  •  this is the scandal (none)
    that keeps on giving:

    man how do I hope that Bush paid Gannon for his other insanely awesome would that be?

  •  He's mentioned he was there when Ari (none)

    was press secreatary.

    He said he didn't get called on very many times by Ari, but when McClellan came in he changed the procedure and called on him more often.

  •  Just in case (4.00)
    it hasn't been done yet, I might suggest somebody alert the appropriate Senators/Congressmen that are inquiring into Gannon as to this little revelation.
  •  Sorry for the stupid question, but (none)
    I just re-read Slaughter's FOIA press release and it doesn't seem to be confined to any specific dates, so his access in February of 2003 (and maybe earlier) would have to be included, right?
  •  The real core issue (4.00)
    here is stated quite nicely by JG hisownself.

    Not the answer I was looking for, but at least I was able to get the issue in front of the mainstream press.

    I mean, that's a tacit admittal that he is not a journalist if ever I've heard one. The guy had no place in the WH press room. Period.
    It's actually a bit wierd, Fleischer never struck me as needing a shill. He had the whole press corp so whip-shy it seemed as though they all had their questions pre-approved and were wincing to even raise a hand, like so many poodles belly up on the floor. The guy could lie out of hand like nobody's business, and dismiss any affront with an almost imperceptable sneer. Yeah, Ari where are you now. I almost miss the days when the only thing coming out of the WH was a dull repetition that 911 changed everything, compared to the constant bait-and-switch that seems to be the norm now.

    "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx

    by justme on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:27:23 PM PST

  •  Email or call KO (none)
    with the shot of JG at briefing before Talon existed and he sure as hell doesn't look to have any type of press pass around his neck.

    Is it Christmas yet?

    The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

    by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:29:15 PM PST

    •  Whoa there, what if we can get McClellan to lie? (4.00)
      What if we could find a reporter to ask him when JDG first arrived at the briefings?  If he lied, and we could produce the CSPAN footage, that could blow the whole thing open.  Am I smoking too much to think this is possible?
      •  Scottie lies every day (none)
        That's what he's paid to do. Catching him in it hasn't done any good before.
      •  probly monitoring this? (none)
        Well, if there's any significant "there" at the bottom of this Gannon story, then it's probably important enough for bushco to have someone assigned to reading dkos . . . in which case they already know because they're reading this.  

        Or maybe I'm paranoid (which doesn't mean they're not after you and all that).

        •  You'd think so, but... (4.00)
          ... Gannon kept giving tidbits that were blatant lies to CNN, etc. for some time after this started to blow up.

          I'm sure somebody is reading this whole site, but I don't guess they can use too many bodies on this without drawing attention to their activities.  The CIA certainly could, but I don't think the CIA is involved on Guckert's side--otherwise he wouldn't have just gotten a lawyer in the last few days and he wouln't have dug his hole deeper in media interviews over the last week.

  •  GANNON/THUNE affair (4.00)
    I think Gannon put his corrupt heart into the Thune campaign because he obviously had feelings for him. What conservative gay man would not want John Thune?  $100 says him and Thune had a hot and heavy affair.
  •  btw (none)
    We up here in Maine quite clearly remember this bogus 'harrassment' claim.

    Now I can put a face to the turd who gave it national exposure.


  •  does anyone (none)
     know when the interview w/rove took place thatwilson refers to in this article?
  •  Time for a FOIA request? (none)
    Certainly the White House must have a record of everybody granted a press pass that day, along with the news organization they were representing.
  •  Is this Gannon From March 9th? (none)
    Go ahead, Jeff.

    Q Thank you. First of all, I hope the grand jury didn't force you to turn over the wedding card I sent to you and your wife. (Laughter.) Do you see any hypocrisy in the controversy about the President's mention of 9/11 in his ads, when Democratic icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt's campaign issued this button, that says, "Remember Pearl Harbor"? I have a visual aid for folks watching at home.

    MR. McCLELLAN: You're pointing out some historical facts. Obviously, Pearl Harbor was a defining moment back in the period of World War II, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was strongly committed to winning World War II and talked about it frequently.

    Q So you think it certainly is valid that the President does talk about it and --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, he addressed this this weekend, when he was first asked about it. September 11th was a defining moment for our nation. We all shared in that experience. And it's important that we look at how we lead in a post-September 11th world. And that's an important discussion to have with the American people, and to talk about the differences in approaches to winning the war on terrorism and preventing attacks from happening in the first place.

    I don't know what G-annon-uckert sounds like.

    But its a softball that he would throw.

    If it is, it certainly sounds like he was plenty of Chummy with McClellan by then -- sending he and his wife a wedding card and joking about it in the press room?


    See the link and the video for yourselves to confirm or deny.

    The question appears nearly all the way at the end of the conference.

    •  That's March 2004 (none)
      This was known already, I believe.
    •  Does anybody think that (none)
      Guckert could have come up with the FDR campaign button all on his own?  GMAFB

      Guckert read from a WH prepared/approved script.

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

      by Marie on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:42:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yes it is (4.00)
      It's in the list that Froomkin has collated of his greatest hits.

      But this suggests he's already on such, um, intimate terms with Scottie that he has sent him a card.

    •  card (4.00)
      Yes, Scottie claimed he got a wedding card from him, even though he didn't really know him.  snort
    •  Apparently (none)
      Apparently that was Guckert.

      And, I'm woefully late to that party.

    •  WOW (none)
      wow wow wow to this Gannon softball about "pearl harbor"

      Thanks for posting this, mrl.

      Was I the only one who thought "Oh my God, this seems so like a 9/11-pearl harbor frame given to Gannon by the same neocons who used the 'pearl harbor' line BEFORE 9/11"

      Occam's Razor: the neocaons wanted a pearl harbor event and allowed it to happen, then they even have a planted "reporter" asking about it and McClellan answers on cue: 9/11 is their pearl harbor, and someone wanted that frame repeated again.

    •  Transcript modifications (4.00)
      Although you don't know if this is Gannon, for any transcripts where we do know it is him, the reference to Gannon should be changed thusly:

      Hypothetical transcript (not real)

      MR. McCLELLAN: Go ahead Jeff.

      PROSTITUTE: Thank you. Isn't President Bush really just the greatest President ever? How can anyone in this room deny that?

      MR. McCLELLAN: Well, the President appreciates any support, and we in the White House are certainly pleased to be working with him.

      •  WH "Transcripts" are NOT Verbatim (none)
        They already scrub out the "Go ahead Jeff" lines that you hear plainly in the videos in favor of less specific "Next Question" lines.  Sorry for posting this info twice, but it's something we should all be aware of as we read the "transcripts."
    •  IS McClellan even married??? (none)
      Not that I'm pushing the McClellan is gay angle. But I remember the coverage of Ari's wedding, around the time he quit. But I don't remember any coverage of McClellan's wedding. And if he's not married, then this interchange would be a big gay flirtation.
      •  Yes (none)
        He is married.

        After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

        by bink on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:00:52 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Do you have a link (none)
          Not that I don't believe you --- but it doesn't appear in bios on him, and he would have gotten married around the same time as Ari did, to no acclaim the way Ari's wedding had.
          •  Ah, here's a link (none)
            In this rambling discussion of Mark McClellan:

            Family and friends say McClellan was little influenced by his father, O. Barr McClellan, a one-time Austin and Houston lawyer who was divorced from Strayhorn in 1978. Barr McClellan resigned from the Texas bar in 1982 after being convicted of forgery and sentenced to 10 years' probation, according to the Texas Bar Association. Barr McClellan said the conviction was dismissed on appeal in 1994. He has since moved to Mississippi, where he recently wrote a Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory book, "Blood, Money & Power, how LBJ Killed JFK." Barr McClellan said he attended Scott McClellan's wedding last year, but otherwise has had infrequent contact with the family.

            Interesting to see the father McClellan was convicted for forgery...think he knows Ahmad Chalabi?

          •  He married an Austin girl, (none)
            I believe, during football season, around November, 2003.  They planned the wedding around one of the UT game weekends - it was in the Dallas paper.
            •  Yup (none)
              He married Jill Martinez, a special events coordinator for the TX March of Dimes on November 22 (McClellan's dad, who is a Kennedy conspiracy nut, thought it was really neat that they got married on that date). They met at a party in DC, and carried on a long-distance romance after that, and only knew each other a year before they got married.  I haven't been able to figure out if she has since moved to DC.
  •  And WHY is this story important? (none)
    Because we now have the poster boy to staple onto Brit Hume, Judy Woodruff, the Fox and friends liars and all the GOP whores in the MSM. All we have to do now is point at him and he proves that hypocrisy runs all the way down from non-church-goer Bush to OxyRush to five-times-married Newt.

    We had no one to pin on them that the average person would HATE. Who the hell even knows who Blackwell is? We need to have a graphic image of GOP hypocrisy and those of you who want to get away from this and fight on some more "honorable" ground are too rich to care.

  •  Stranger and stranger (4.00)
    As unusual as the twists of JD's story is the MSM's pretend indifference and fear-mongering over barbarian hordes/swarms ;-) of bloggers.
  •  How and when did (4.00)
    Gannon/Gurkett become known to someone in the WH? Is it a stretch that he was first hired as an "escort"? I think this is legitimate, seeing as how the WH wants to ammend the Constitution to exclude gay marriage.
  •  First, plant JG, then fertilze 'the plant' with a (4.00)
    fake news source, then have fake news source pay him.
    Seems like the main aim was to get him in the press room at all costs. Then credential him, somewhat.

    It doesn't work that way for the rest of us.

    More questions,
    was he ever in the Marines? This must be easy to confirm.

    did he pass security at the airport under his fake name?

    To thine own self be true - W.S.

    by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 01:48:15 PM PST

  •  Helen Thomas (none)
    I don't know how to do it, but someone downthread asked about the gaggle members and why they aren't "remembering" whether Gannon was in the gaggle years ago, and so maybe someone can get in touch with the "First Lady."

    She's a real journalist, and probably doesn't want to look like she has an axe to grind because of her demotion to the back of the room, but maybe she'll participate.

  •  Question was asked (none)
    Question was asked confirmed by whitehouse press briefing transcripts of February 28,2003. Whether it was by Gannon/Guckert that day is unknown by transcript.
  •  GOPUSA is not a news organization (4.00)
    Thats why they needed Talon.

    The mission of GOPUSA is to spread the conservative message throughout America.

    GOPUSA strives to educate, enlighten, and engage conservatives through a host of features and services including news, online discussions, commentary, activism, outreach, and information.

    Through a host of products and services, GOPUSA is committed to providing conservatives with news, information, commentary, education, activism, and community both online and in person.

    We strive to be the first source Republicans and conservatives turn to for news and information, both at the state and national levels.

    All content, products, and services delivered by GOPUSA reflect our dedication to professionalism, quality, and innovation.

    GOPUSA doesn't pass a smell test for a news has fucking GOP in its name!!!!

  •  News for Slaughter, Conyers, et. al. (none)
    This should go to Lautenberg also, who seems to be looking for a nonsexual reason to pursue this mess.

    I would also get Kieth O. toplay it up on COuntdown also.  It's too rich.

    The Moral Majority - all those Christian conservatives left on Earth AFTER the Rapture....

    by sp0t on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:01:00 PM PST

  •  Should we see if any Gannon Stories (none)
    mage it to FOXNEWS and ask for retractiokns:)   maybe Hannity should be apologizing for some things......I can dream can't I, maybe thats why they where silent about this they have based reporting on Talon News.....
  •  Maybe we should (none)
    look from this angle(just for kicks):  If you were the president, and you needed some man-to man marine action on the side, How would you go about it? What would you do?
    •  Damned pity (none)
      I used to have a source who would be the one to know (a very closeted Texan with heavy duty connections who lived in DC and really liked to wander around with boys in Marine getup). But he passed away.

      Ah hell. He was such a gentleman anyway, he probably wouldn't reveal his sources.

      •  Ditto, of sorts (none)
        Ditto on a lot of these sentiments and connections.  For the sake of their protection, suffice it to say that it was a relative by marriage who worked in the Reagan Situation room who came out a couple of years ago.
      •  Who are his friends? (none)
        Did the deceased gentleman have friends you might be able to talk to?  They might be able to provide a lead...

        Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

        by mataliandy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:44:43 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Speaking of friends who are deceased, (none)
          in checking on the stories from the late '80s where the "hero" ended up dead in a hotel in NY, I noticed that the reporter who covered that is still writing for the Washington Times. Jerry Seper is his name.  Maybe he knows something more current, even though his recent beat seems to be arms and border patrol.
  •  Sounds like we got live one, folks (4.00)
    Keep at it...there's gold in dem hills!

    I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

    by Volvo Liberal on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:10:29 PM PST

  •  Attention all Democrat (4.00)
    politicians: you have just been handed a potential scandal on a silver platter that will do to Bush what Lewinsky did to Clinton, if not much, much more.....

    that's right: scandal on a silver platter....

    if you pass this one up you deserve to lose

    •  Agree re silver platter . . . (none)
      Disagree re deserve to lose.  Please remember, dems are at a massive disadvantange when it comes to disseminating information.  Ya know, we don't have a massive, all encompassing spin machine, and a compliant main stream media on our side.
      •  They Have (none)
        the floor of congress.

        That's one of the reasons it exists.

        "Till the Last Dog Dies"

        by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:17:36 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  And if the dems all head to the floor (none)
          and scream their heads off, no one will report a single word of it.

          Whereas had Bill Clinton peed on a White House toilet seat, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News would have invented a 140 point font graphic that screamed "WHITE HOUSE PISS SCANDAL!!!"  They, along with every AM radio station, the network news, and a substantial portion of the "liberal" editoral pages of newspapers across the country, would talk about how the presidency was being demeaned 24 hours per day.  Moreover, the republicans (who still control Congress) would use the power that only the majority has to hold endless hearing on the issue.

          •  well put (none)
            taylormattd, and very funny.

            Hopefully, though, the Gannon story hits too close to home for the mainstream media (not Fox News of course, but everyone else) because it reveals that the White House treats journalists like shit. If I were a reporter not totally bought out, I would be pissed: for instance, think of those reporters who never get called on to ask a question at a press conference. They must be fuming.

    •  I'd say we want to go (none)
      for the much...much..more.  In which case it has to be air-tight.
  •  Wow! (none)
    I wonder who else he was blowing.
  •  The date seems a bit strange... (none)
    From the freerepublic post.  According to here, he's only been a member of freeperland since June 23rd.  How would he post in March?
  •  Oh my God! (4.00)
    We're going to Code Pink!
  •  Talon News Born on Date (none)
    When was Talon News Created?

    I know that was registered on March 29th and that it went live on April 1st 2003.

    But when did they become a real company?  You can be a real company and not have a website.

    Either way, this takes out the claim that Talon News was regularly published at the time he was granted access.

    •  It's not a company (4.00)
      Never has been.

      No incorporation papers ever found anywhere.

    •  Good Comment (none)
      I don't want them to get away with we where building our website and we placed Jeff in the White House to help.....blah blah

      You have to be from a regularly published News organization Scotty said so 6 days ago.....

      I think we have a question that can't be spun.

      Unless Jeff worked else where?

      •  Correct (none)
        I would like the question to be.

        "Guckert/Gannon we know wast at a February 28th press conference, we know this because you asked him a question and he can be seen on the CSPAN feed.  Talon News was created on XXXXXX date.  How did he get credentialed?  GOPUSA or not under any organization?  How did he show that he was regularly published then?

        The press is not going after this story so any futher questions that get asked have to be very specific with little wiggle room.  If you don't provide dates, he can say that he does not know or when Talon News was created or doesn't remember who JeffJimm was working for.

        We are not going to have many more chances at this.  That is all.

    •  Talon News first appeared on GOPUSA site (none)
      April 19, 2003.

      Before then, GOPUSA linked to its own "news team."

      Jeff Gannon made his first appearance as an official member of the GOPUSA news team on March 21, 2003. His bio read (note also that he is listed under a banner titled "Directors and Officers"):

      Jeff Is a freelance writer living on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. He authors the website found at

      Jeff has appeared on nationally syndicated and local radio talk shows representing the conservative political viewpoint.

      Jeff is a graduate of the Pennsylvania State University System and holds a Bachelor of Science in Education. He is also a graduate of the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of Journalism.

      By April 19, 2003, he was "Washington Bureau Chief" and "covers the White House for Talon News". His linked website is now and his biography says his column "Jeff Gannon's Washington" is syndicated.

      A cynic is merely a romantic in disguise.

      by thebes on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:31:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  He asked that question as a representative of (4.00)
    GOPUSA, if you click on his "Jeff Gannon" name

    there it links to GOPUSA.

    Why the switch to Talon months later?  Needed a better cover story?

    No more Mr. Nice Democrat

    by Viktor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:34:12 PM PST

  •  a non-denial denial by Scotty (4.00)
    which may ahve been ntoed already  -- I don't avhe time to the check the thread

    mcClellan said no one brought anything like it to his attention during his time as press secretray

    BUT ....  he was deputy BEFORE he was press secretary, and this statement does NOT preclude it being brought to his attention while he worked in WH but before  Ari resigned and he took over as press secretary.

    It helps to parse language exactly / precisely

    Those that can, do. Those that can do more, TEACH!

    by teacherken on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:38:32 PM PST

  •  Gannon Worked For GOPUSA before Talon (4.00)
    Doing some googling, I noticed this.  

    So Gannon was reporting for "GOPUSA News" in March of 2003 before Talon was created.

  •  Lets check some conservative Blogs (none)
    It seems like Jeff Likes using his own name ooops sorry my mistake his fake name on Blogs.  Also he likes to brag about his WH briefings.....maybe we can get something out of the hourses mouth.  Look for anything before this story broke a couple of weekes ago.
    •  Speaking of bragging (none)
      What was the date of the post by one of his frat brothers, talking about how it seems JD isn't in the CIA/NSA, whatever...??  Wouldn't that indicate that he was already busy in DC, and bragging about it?  
  •  Thanks for this one, Robert (4.00)
    You're doing us Cheeseheads proud.

    Now I want Senator Feingold asking some serious questions!  The Kossack Research Team can do his sleuthing for him.  He needs to step up to the role of our Perry Mason.  Susan G is, of course, the lovely and brilliant Della Street, and you can be our suave and boyish detective Paul Drake representing the intrepid Kossack Googling FOIA team.  (I was going to say "crack research team," but I think that's the role John Aravosis stumbled into, poor guy).

    Stupidity should be painful.

    by Helena Handbag on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 02:43:23 PM PST

  •  I can just see the conversation (none)
    Well Jeff we can't really let you into the briefings becasue GOPUSA isn't a news organization, it's really a republican website that picks news it likes

    Ahhh but I want in, I'll try really hard a make a fake News website with GOPUSA readers and volunteer reporters real soon!!!

    Oh okay then come on in.

  •  It's the Christian Science Moniter article (4.00)
    But abc news has picked it up......take a look gannon isn't central but it is about a propaganda president.

    •  It's a start... (none)
      ...but was anyone else rolling their eyes at this part?

      The Bush administration isn't the first to pay journalists to promote their causes. President Jefferson hired journalist James Callender to attack his rival John Adams, only to have Callender later turn on him with reports that he had fathered a child with his slave, Sally Hemings.

      They really had to stretch to find a comparison, eh?  

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:15:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Upgrade (4.00)
    This diary should really be elevated to the front page; the evidence of the earlier date, and particularly the photo, are too important to not be (IMHO).
  •  Ari and Gannon (4.00)
    I found this cached page about Ari's Farewell cake; it has a top mention of Jeff Gannon/Talon News (page cached as retrieved on Dec 20, 2004 15:57:07 GMT).

    Cached page at: %22+Gannon&hl=en

    The current page has the Gannon/Talon reference removed

    Current page at:

    What was the relationship between Ari and Gannon?

    Why was the reference to Gannon removed from the original page?

    I have no idea what this all means but if you look at the page source in the cached page the Gannon/Talon reference is hardcoded in it, so it had to have been removed from the code at some point after Dec 20, 2004.  Weird!

    Can someone access the server directories to see when the page was modified? (I am not getting this info in Mozilla)

    Los Blogueros Faith-based Alternative Surrealism from Washington, DC

    by chechecule on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:10:53 PM PST

    •  WOW ! (4.00)
      And guess what - I have another WOW for ya !

      Part of the 'article' that someone else (not Gannon) wrote for Talon about Ari's leaving -

      GET THIS -

      White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer to Resign
      By Sarah Wagner
      Talon News
      May 20, 2003
      WASHINGTON (Talon News)

      . . . "Scott McClellan would be an able successor to Ari Fleischer," Gannon added.

      The Ari Fan Club, sponsored by, has already started an on-line petition to bring Ari back. Fans of Fleischer can mourn over his resignation and buy official Ari gear. . . .

      And at that very 'Ari Fan Club' web site - see GWB's signature to the left ? ?

      Man this stuff is wild - no wonder they are 'cleaning up' these web pages. Thank you Google cache !

    •  Another scrubbed reference on (none)
      the newsletter has a deleted Gannon reference.  Look at entry #4..
      but look at the google cache of the same page.

      (tip for google sleuthing:  to find all gannon references on a particular site, e.g.,, you can type "gannon" into the search bar.)

      •  Note regarding Google cache (4.00)
        During the first week of intensive research into "Jeff Gannon", we started to see Google cache pages disappear.  Someone (and I don't know to whom to give the credit) indicated that Google will re-visit a site/page/URL when it sees increased interest (i.e., traffic).

        So, SAVE THESE PAGES.  Take screenshots.  Save As.  Use a digital camera... do something.  We're generating lots of follow-up hits, and may be shooting ourselves in the foot by causing Google to refresh the page.

    •  The Point is Why (4.00)
      are they so intent on scrubbing Gannon from every possible place?

      This guy has them shitting their pants, its not the cake photo (although that raises a heap of interesting questions) there is something else they are terrified that we will find.

      By taking down every instance of his name, by doing a find/replace they are hoping to get rid of a trail of evidence because they are terrified that the thing they most want to hide must be there.

      Buty that also means that all these places have recieved an email or a phone call to get this fucker's name off their sites NOW.

      We need two things.

      Someone needs to have a look at the mail servers that handle traffic for these suddenly pristine websites and see if they can spot an email with gannon in the body text. (I know, its illegal)

      We need to look at all these sites and check for old dated pages that have been updated in the last couple of weeks, and then check the contents of those pages. There's a bet that Gannon was involved with whatever they are talking about.

      "Till the Last Dog Dies"

      by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:27:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Is that whipped cream frosting? (none)
      It was Gannon that actually jumped out of the cake. Then he sang "Happy Birthday Mister PressSecretary..."
    •  Disappointed (none)
      I thought I was going to see a picture of Jeff jumping out of a big cake to "entertain" the farewell party.
    •  And while you're on that page (none)
      don't forget to order your "Ari Gear" lol...there's actually a link

      Tikkun Olam: Heal the world.

      by diamondpen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:27:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  repository diary (none)
      for changes to JG-related material is here: Altered Realities.  Even though it's old (in the sense that two weeks is old around here) it might be a good place to keep track of these changes, not to mention seeing what others have already found.
    •  That's not all that was removed... (none)
      The contact email address on the cached version of the site is is one of the domains registered by Bedrock Corp.

      In the non-cached current version of of the site, the contact email is missing.

      •  The Free Speech Coalition is one of (none)
        Bruce W. Eberle's civic interests.
        In testimony before Congress

        They had this to say:

        The Free Speech Coalition, Inc. ("FSC"), founded in 1993, is a nonpartisan group of
        ideologically diverse nonprofit organizations and the for-profit organizations which help them
        raise funds and implement programs. Our purpose is to protect First Amendment rights
        through the reduction or elimination of excessive regulatory burdens which have been placed
        on the exercise of those rights.
        FSC is joined in these comments by several concerned tax-exempt organizations and
        for-profit companies, including: Accuracy in Media; American Center for Law and Justice;
        American Conservative Union; American Preventive Medical Association; American Target
        Advertising, Inc.; APMA Legal & Educational Foundation; Bruce W. Eberle & Associates;
        Citizens Against Government Waste; Citizens United; Coalition to Stop Gun Violence; English
        First; Freedom Alliance; Gun Owners of America; High Frontier; The Leadership Institute;
        National Center for Cardiac Information; National Rifle Association; National Right to Life
        Committee; Policy Analysis Center; Public Advocate; 60 Plus Association; Squire &
        Heartfield Direct, Inc.; Tri-State Envelope Corporation; United Seniors Association, Inc.;
        United States Border Control; and U. S. Taxpayers Alliance.

        One of their more current concerns seems to be the prospect of having "adult" programming on cable regulated.

  •  Just heard info on how he might have entered WH... (4.00)
    I just heard on Air America that someone on Randi's blog has found that the White House Personnel Office chief, who reports to Andy Card, is the wife of a bigwig at GOPUSA.

    How's this chronology?

    JG "gets to know" someone at the WH, who puts in a good word at the personnel office. The head of the office gets him a job with her husband at GOPUSA.
    JG then gets to come into WH as a GOPUSA reporter.

    •  specifics (none)
      This is well documented at
      Liberal Patriots

      The wife and director of WH personnel is Dina Powell and the board member of GOPUSA is Richard Powell.

      Chicken or egg? Either "knowing" someone at the WH got him into GOPUSA, or being a writer at GOPUSA got him into the WH. I really hope its the former. :)

    •  I thought we decided that GOPUSA's Richard (none)
      Powell is a different man than the Richard Powell married to White House Dina. Right?

      A cynic is merely a romantic in disguise.

      by thebes on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:36:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  That was my understanding. (none)
        That's the meaning I took from the updates to this diary:

        Update [2005-2-14 3:52:11 by Marie]: First - Two lessons 1) When it looks too good, take a closer look. 2) Take care when relying upon the research of others. First the GOPUSA Powell is Richard M. Powell. His bio at Talon bears no resemblance to that of Richard Powell at Quinn/Gillespie. These are not the same person. Second - Dina Habib Powell appears to be married to a Richard Cruze Powell. Three different Richard Powells. So, we are back to no DC-TX physical link for GOPUSA/Talon.

  •  Gannon in WH in 2002 (none)
    He hasn't listed any other "News" organization on his Talon bio did he?  The more these things come out, the more the msm has got to pay attention, don't they?

    Thank god Al Gore invented the Internet.

  •  Kathleen Parker's (none)
    column in today's Tribune spoke about how bloggers took down Rather and Eason Jordan, but nary a word about Guckert and his homoerotic enterprises.  Not a  word.  If you would like to inform her of what was missing in her column, email her at

    What is essential is invisible.

    by bebimbob on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:42:24 PM PST

    •  The people involved with the memos at CBS (none)
      are fighting back! They haven't left their offices and have hired lawyers:

      Folkenflick on NPR

      "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." ~ Gandhi

      by mad ramblings of a sane woman on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:24:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ditto the past two days on Fox/MSNBC/CNN/NPR. (none)
      They talk about bloggers, they talk about Eason Jordan. But there is a near perfect vacuum on the  Gannon subject or any details.

      How can a media that has always been so totally preoccupied with sex and dirt and pedophilia and scot peterson, not be interested in the Gannon case?  

      Obviously, US media is totally controlled When Bush tells it so.

  •  pro bush front page (none)
    i was checking out the probush website for the ari sighting and they link to a story quoting guckert. they are resurecting him " Jeff Gannon of Talon News reports that Abourezk voiced support for Hezbollah, a terrorist group, and its alleged positive role in Lebanon. Hezbollah, he said, "was like the tool that forced the Israelis to withdraw."
    it's from the  Sen. James Abourezk's  "traitor's list," story. Abourezk sued and its publisher, Michael Marino, for defamation. 
    linked frompro bush front page

    i don't see how they can use this shill as a reference??

  •  never mind (none)
    i just realized that wasn't current
  •  "Jeff Gannon" / LeaseComm? (none)
    Hey, what's this?


    and here: Leasecomm Hammered by Federal Judge

    •  Rent to Own (none)
      It appears to be a entry directory of "Rent to Own" services. Really bizarre, and been around long enough to not be a spoof.
      •  William Pitt (none)
        Talks to Joe Wilson about "Gannon."

        A Phone Conversation with Ambassador Joseph Wilson

        "The interesting connection here is between Eberle and GOPusa. Such a connection would definitely get McClellan's attention. I have read that Gannon managed to get an interview with Karl Rove, which is hard to get. Eberle is Houston political activist involved in Republican party politics. GOPusa and Talon News were clearly organizations designed to put forward the Republican point of view, which is fine of itself. We know they use right-wing blogs to get stories into the mainstream media. The question is did they skip a step by having a right-wing blog with a 'White House Bureau Chief' who is apparently connected inside the administration."

        "I don't think there is a secret CIA memo. When Gannon interviewed me, he said 'a memo prepared by intelligence.' That could be INR. I've heard of a story about an INR memo talking about a meeting in 2002 with my wife (Valerie Plame) discussing sending me to Niger. Valerie wasn't at that meeting. If the memo was talking about another meeting, they don't know what they're talking about, because she wouldn't have been involved. Valerie doesn't think the meeting actually took place."

        "I had one reporter tell me that the person who wrote the memo wasn't at any meeting, and had quoted someone who had also never been to any meeting. The whole thing is rubbish, and tracks back to the old nepotism charge and the six month smear campaign against me. Bob Novak was quoted as saying I shouldn't have been sent to Niger because I didn't have any nonproliferation experience. Yellowcake isn't proliferation, its slightly refined rock."

        "I think Patrick Fitzgerald is going to indict. I think he has enough to indict. Miller and Cooper are going to be required to talk about who it was that called them about Valerie. A journalist protecting their sources, protecting sources revealing government wrongdoing is one thing. But these sources were committing a crime, and there isn't any protection there. I'm not offering my own opinions on this Miller/Cooper thing; this is the opinion of the court, which made the distinction between exposing government wrongdoing and protecting those who commit wrongdoing. I have no stake in the case, and no idea if they will testify."

        "I don't know if Gannon was subpoenaed by Fitzgerald. He said he was, and now he is saying he wasn't. Perhaps he was questioned and then they backed off. The real question about him is who did he know, and how did he get the job and the contacts."

        "I don't know how you ever get your honor back."

        •  leasecomm? (none)
          What does that quote have to do with leasecomm? So far as I can tell, leasecomm is a company run by a bunch of people in MA.
          •  HUMM? (none)
            Jeff Gannon is listed as:

            Jeff Gannon OF  Leasecomm Corp

            As in working for Leasecomm.

            His entrepreneur gig?


            Leasecomm has been involved in all kinds of scams and operates in many states.


            Accused Company Will Cancel Court Judgments
            FTC Said Leasecomm Cheated Customers
            By David Ho
            Associated Press
            Friday, May 30, 2003; Page E04
            A Massachusetts company accused of cheating tens of thousands of consumers with deceptive work-at-home and Internet-business opportunities has agreed to cancel $24 million in court judgments against its customers, regulators said yesterday.
            To settle charges brought by the Federal Trade Commission and eight states, Leasecomm Corp. and its parent company, MicroFinancial Inc., also agreed to pay a $1 million fine to cover the states' legal and law enforcement costs.

            From the first link:

            Our Mission
            RTO Online's mission is to provide timely, informative and entertaining content and services that improve the working lives of Rent to Own professionals.

            Who's Who In Rent to Own
            Who's Who is a database contain contact information of thousands of Rent to Own professionals around the world

            RTOinternet is a subsidiary of RTO Online Inc. RTOinternet specializes in building "websites that work." We believe a website should earn its keep...not just be a pretty face.

            Humm again?--RTO has a sponsor called TruckSkin--They paint trucks.

            •  Must have looked at the wrong leasecomm (none)
              I looked up the Secretary of State's records for leasecomm, and somehow stopped at that. You're right; I should have considered that Gannon might be a bit player in this, and that "" might have been involved. Great spotting!
            •  Only looked at SOS filings (none)
              I looked up the Secretary of State's records for leasecomm, and somehow stopped at that. You're right; I should have considered that Gannon might be a bit player in this, and that "" might have been involved. Great spotting!
  •  Believe I've spotted him at the 2/25/03 briefing (4.00)
    Don't know how to do a screen shot, but I believe this is him a the very back of the room in the 2/25/03 briefing. Start at about 30:08 and look in the upper right hand corner.
  •  JG says he started using the fake name (none)
    Jeff Gannon in 2001, in his interview with E&P and yet he used it in 1999 according to this (or the way I interpret this)

    In 1999, Paul Leddy, a Web designer and photographer, says he received an email from a man named Jeff from Wilmington, Delaware. Jeff wanted Paul to build him a new Web site for his business. Paul accepted the job, provided Jeff mailed him a check with half the money up front (Jeff had not provided a last name, and Paul wanted to make sure he was for real). Jeff sent the check, it cleared, and Paul built the site and launched it online for Jeff.

    Paul didn't think about Jeff much until last week when he heard about a breaking scandal involving a man named Jeff who owned several military escort service Web addresses. "I saw the name Jeff Gannon, knew our Jeff, saw the Web address, and thought `hmmm, everything was military, that sounds like Jeff who we did the site for.'"

    To thine own self be true - W.S.

    by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 04:19:19 PM PST

    •  that article (none)
      tells us that he was at least going by jeff.  no implications for gannon one or the other in the given info.
    •  I'm confused by your stubborness on this so (none)
      I will lay it out one more time.

      "I saw the name Jeff Gannon, knew our Jeff, saw the Web address, and thought `hmmm, everything was military, that sounds like Jeff who we did the site for.'"

      That makes it clear that he did not remember his name as Gannon, but only as Jeff.  The combination of the name Jeff and the escort web site rang a bell for Leddy.

      Then he went and dug up his invoices.  His invoices were from Bedrock Inc.  But they obviously didn't have the name Gannon on them for several reasons.  First of all, that would have been instant confirmation that it was the same guy.  But he goes on to say, after looking at the photos, something like, "It sure looked like the same guy."

      Furthermore, AmericaBlog had access to the invoices and would have made photos available if the invoices, or the cancelled checks, bore the name Gannon on them.

      But they didn't do this.  Instead they made the link by noticing that Bedrock registered the domain name:, and by noting the same Delaware address.

      There can be no doubt that Leddy did not and does not have the name Gannon anywhere.  Or Guckert.

      The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

      by BooMan23 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:24:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  We read the same article - (none)
        my interpretation is that the cheques were signed by Jeff Gannon. It differs from your interpretation.

        There's no right or wrong here, there's different interpretation.

        bye now

        To thine own self be true - W.S.

        by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:56:43 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Actually (none)
          there is definitely a right or wrong. The checks were signed by Gannon, or Guckert, or some other officer of the Bedrock Corp.

          That much we can be assured of.

          But he could not verify that Gannon was the man he did the work for based on his records alone.

          That is true.

          He verified it by the work of others.  

          He had no idea that Bedrock had registered or

          He just knew some guy names Jeff paid him to set up military escort sites.

          He didn't even have photos of Jeff Gannon.  He had photos of a some guy named Jeff.  He matched them up and said, "Looks like the same guy".

          It was when he realized that Bedrock Corp. had registered the website and that Jeff Gannon was an officer of the corporation, and that the addresses matched, that he realized they were the same person.

          Now, if he had gone into his files and found the name Gannon right away, none of that would have been necessary.

          Sorry to badger you on this, but this is like the 5th posting of yours I've noticed that mischaracterizes how this mystery was solved.

          The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

          by BooMan23 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:06:09 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'm not mischaracterizing (none)
            You are skimming over something in my opinion, when you say that

            He just knew some guy names Jeff paid him to set up military escort sites.

            Now, how did "Jeff" make a payment? by check.

            Someone had to sign the check even though it came through a 'corp.' called Bedrock.

            -Can't sign a check with your first name only &
            -Can't sign a check with a company stamp.

            I'll wait until further developments when FOIA docs are retrieved for my confirmation.

            Look, you have written some excellent posts on this topic, but with all respect, this is nitpicking.

            To thine own self be true - W.S.

            by Agathena on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:48:33 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Nitpicking (none)
              You are making as assertion that Guckert was using the name Gannon publicly at a certain time.

              But the facts don't really back you up.

              If the web designer wanted to know who owned Bedrock he could have looked it up.  But that would have proved nothing.  There can be two people named Jeff working at the same corporation.

              If you read the Salon article in addition to the piece you keep quoting, it is clear that the man did not verify that Gannon was his man by looking at the pictures, the invoices, or the cancelled checks.  

              You verified it by learning who owned Bedrock.

              We learned who owned Bedrock from the internet, not from his own records.

              What does that tell you?

              The first thing I would do upon hearing that someone that I worked for might be in the news is to check for his name.  I wouldn't bother comparing pictures if I could just find the name.

              He didn't find the name, and this isn't a matter for a FOIA.  It is obvious from the Salon article.

              That means that Jeff Gannon didn't sign the checks.  Which means someone else did.  Which means we should find out who that person is.

              The same goes for the Plame memo.  It is pretty obvious from looking at the Free Republic thread that Gannon never really saw the memo but wanted to give the impression he did.  He claimed to have been called by the Grand Jury and bragged about how he has reached the big time.  But now he claims he was merely interviewed by the FBI, and never was forced to go to the Grand Jury.


              Because he probably told the FBI that he never saw the memo and read about it in the WSJ.  I know I read about it in the WSJ.

              In any case, it's important to look at the facts when the are evident and focus the investigation on where it is likely to find valuable information.  That is why I nitpick.

              The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

              by BooMan23 on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 03:53:42 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Quicktime Video Gannon 02/28/03 (none)
  •  Connections..... (none)
    Has anyone checked out connections of other Talon News writers and GOPUSA writers?  For this to get more traction, it has to be larger than Jeff Gannon.

    Can Talon and GOPUSA be more directly connected to the payola scandal of a few weeks ago?  How about connections between Armstrong Williams and Talon/GOPUSA?


  •  Earliest Gannon post ever!!??? (none)
    November 12, 2002 at 23:23:55   - :
    Jeff Gannon / -- The mainstream media is full of talking heads claiming the recent elections, although swept by the Republicans, is no mandate. I disagree. Every election is a mandate. Americans express their will by casting their votes and in many cases, withholding them.

    This election was a clearly a referendum on George W. Bush. The President took the issues of homeland security, Iraq, social security, prescription drugs and the economy directly to the people when he asked them to elect Congressmen and Senators who would support his initiatives in these matters.

    Voters responded by defying midterm election history, returning the Senate to a Republican majority and expanding the House majority held since 1994.

    Three days after the American election, the UN Security Council voted 15-0 in favor of a resolution for disarming Iraq. The following Monday, Saddam Hussein called an emergency meeting of the Iraqi Parliament to decide how to respond. The United Nations and Saddam Hussein recognize this as a mandate.

    There was another mandate that came out of this election. The Democrats were thoroughly repudiated. Finding themselves on the wrong side of the important issues, the Democratic strategy was to largely remain silent except to say, "vote for us, we're not them". Their leaders claim they weren't able to get their message out, but in reality their message of bigger government, higher taxes and less personal freedom was out there all along, and the voters rejected it.

    Finally, once and for all, the 2000 election of George W. Bush was confirmed. Had he been illegitimate in the mind of the voters, the Republicans would have been removed from power and the administration relegated to a secondary role to a Democratic-controlled Congress. But the result was very much the opposite.

    Now that's a mandate.

    •  Sounds like bush talking points to me... (none)
      I wonder what else GOPUSA and have been up to. Who runs of directors etc.
    •  Haven't read enough Gannon (none)
      to know his style, but this does not look like something an inexperienced journalist would write.

      If they are talking points, then they would have been crafted by the president's speech writers.  No?

    •  That's what I've been saying (none)
      I keep hoping that someone here has access to some plagiarism detection programs (any English profs?) and would run a few of his articles through for matches.  There's a lot of info (for now at least) floating around on the Internets and we might Bingo with a known writer/staffer.  But the way things are vanishing, it better be soon.  I don't know that the programs find cached entries.

      any takers?

  •  Interesting (none)
    Someone upthread asked who issued press passes, since Scottie has claimed that it isn't his responsibility.  After Scottie make that remark last week, I dug in the WH website, and found the Office of the Press Secretary page, which stated this [I cut and pasted]:

    The Press Office staff coordinates the President's weekly radio address, video tapings, satellite feeds, and provides the press with access to and information about various White House events.

    I just went to find it again, to bring it here, but could not find that page to save my soul.  
    I had to dig through my dkos comments to retrieve it.

  •  Jeff Gannon = GWB's Monica Lewinsky? (2.50)
    Given GWB's well-reported interest in beefcake( [scroll down a bit] Victor Ashe, hitting on Canadian PM's prettty-faced Aide), playing dress-up military, and his legendary "Bald" fetish [scroll down a bit] Jeff Gannon must have been as close as it gets to irresistible to the "Fabulous" Mr Bush.

    Maybe after a few secret "hard-work" interludes in 2001 or 2002, while Gannon was still working as a male prostitute  President Bush looked deep into Gannon's soul, and decided this hunk 'O-MANDATE was someone he needed to keep close by and.. err..available to take dictation.

    So he sent him to a 2-week journalism diploma mill, and then set him up in the presidential press corp, to throw powder-puff questions during press conferences, and then be close by and available to rub heads together, so to speak afterwords, and also when Bush was travelling on campaign trail etc.,  with the press corp in tow.

    Does anyone know if Gannon was a member of the travelling press corp when Bush was on the stump last year?

  •  Face-to-face (none)
    The question is, who made Guckert's press pass "hard"? Of course, the Whitest House is claiming that nobody (including Fatty McClellan) from their press office had ever been privately face-to-face with Gannon to bestow preferrential access for him. Taking into account the seedy nature of his internet "side jobs", this may be one case where the Bush administration isn't lying.
  •  My name is Robert and I live in Wisconsin (none)
    your username sucks man. There can't be two Wisconsinite Roberts.
  •  Thanks gang (none)
    for clarifying that for me. I knew I read on one of our threads she was in politics.

    The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

    by Alohaleezy on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:11:17 PM PST

  •  Remember J Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn (4.00)
    "Patriots" of the McCarthy Era who persecuted homosexuals in the most vicious way, later discovered to be deeply closeted...just like certain Neocons in the Bush White House

    Tikkun Olam: Heal the world.

    by diamondpen on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:32:19 PM PST

    "Jeff Gannon" was present at WH press conferences on the following dates (links to posts in this thread):

    • Feb. 25, 2003 (video evidence - 30:11 on CSPAN RealVideo archive)
    • Feb. 28, 2003 (clear video/audio evidence - 32:05 on CSPAN RealVideo archive)
    • March 3, 2003 (video evidence, possibly of "hard pass" - 35:10 on CSPAN RealVideo archive)
    • March 4, 2003 (clear audio evidence - 34:59 on CSPAN RealVideo archive)

    There are certain to be more. But keep in mind the context here. These briefings were being held in the very last weeks and days in the run-up to the Iraq war. Important questions were being asked about international diplomatic and military developments.

    And an actively employed prostitute using a FAKE NAME with ZERO journalistic background or experience, who can not even claim to be working for a news agency, is taking up a seat in the White House briefing room, and occasionally asking questions.

    Other important finds:

    "Gannon" takes picture of Ari Fleischer's farewell cake (July 2003), posted on "" (also home to the "Ari Fan Club," later Gannon's name is scrubbed from this page).

    Timeline from kfred:

    Article under Jeff Gannon: Conservative Monitor in November 2002.

    The GOPUSA news archives began with 1/1/03

    Gannon byline in GOPUSA:  in the "News" section of GOPUSA on 1/15/03.

    Question to ARI:  Feb 28 2003 WH Press Briefing  
    Picture confirms Guckert was in the briefing room on Feb. 28, 2003.

    Response on blog:  #45 from Jeff Gannon on March 5, 2003 03:26 AM referencing that question

    Talon begins:  Mar 29 2003

    Ari Fleischer resigns May 2003

    Gannon states Scott Mclellan is best candidate May 20, 2003

    •  Excuse my language (none)
      but this summary is fucking awesome. Great job.
    •  Question on one point ... (none)
      There was discussion earlier that Guckert worked at some point as a COURT reporter. Has that been confirmed? If true, it might have given him some experience useful in the press room.
    •  May 29, 2003 (none)
      Seems likely to be Gannon, anyway:

      Q Two questions today, please. Given that transfers of power in the Middle East usually occur abruptly and sometimes violently, what contingency plans do we have in place to deal with the implosion of the government of Iran that some in the administration have suggested may occur?

      MR. FLEISCHER: Well, you go back to the President's statement of July 12th, which is our policy toward Iran, and that is the future of Iran will be determined by the Iranian people. And this is based on the belief that people everywhere, including Iran, want to be free, want to have a government that is respectful of their rights, wants to have a government that allows them to express their views and allows them to advance economically. That is our position, and I cannot predict what every turn will take in Iran.

      Q Well, if something happens abruptly, and considering --

      MR. FLEISCHER: I just can't speculate, Jeff, about something that hasn't taken place or might not.

      Two questions later there's a sweet softpitch from Lester Kingsolver about gay marriage.

    •  If "Gannon" is endorsing (none)
      Scott McClellan could it be because that was the candidate for the job favored by Morton Blackwell?

      In the procees of looking up Blackwell and the Council on/for National Policy and checking the members attending, as well as guests, at the 1998 Tyson Corner meeting, I did notice that while the Eberle "brothers" were no-where in sight, Scott McClellan was there, albeit his name was spelled Macclellan--not an unusual happening even now.  Google has quite a few listings for him with that spelling, especially for articles in the foreign press.

      I have not yet checked to see what else is available on the buildingequality site.

    •  Chronology (none)
      I've put together a chronology with as many of the early video appearances as I could find.

      Thanks for providing these references.

  •  Bad Blogger! Bad! No more Internet for You ! (none)
    Yesterday's NPR Day-to-Day story on lazy, opinionated, unhelpful bloggers [subtext; and why they are soo /bad for America]

    Bushco is having a hard time controlling the blogs breathing down on his neck.

    [Does that makes them a 'Gathering Threat'?]

  •  Wow. ameriblog report on Gannon 1999-2001 (1.66)
    from Ameriblog report 02/14/05.

    It is a very detailed and informative report, with lots of detailed data,  but once you are there,  you can go  one or two clicks to Gannon's archived gay web site where there are a bunch of  "amatuer poser" Gannon gay out-call "advertised goods" picture pages.

    Warning Adults only after you get there.

  •  Is this rumor or fact? (none)
      Please tell me if this is just rumor or what .. but...

      My girlfriend heard on a radio show that Scott McClellan and "Gannon" appear together in a photo taken in 1999 .. in a Gay bar.

      The caller said they got that info here.. on


    ** - Use It to contact your local, state and national politicians. Also use it to contact local and national media.

    by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 10:21:40 PM PST

  •  Jon Stewart is hammering this story (none)
    right now.
  •  Scottie and Jeff: A Question (none)
    Forgive me if this has been asked, but I'm on deadline and can't read all the comments til later:

    At what point does Scott McClellan call on Gannon by his first name?  I'm curious about how early in his press room appearances Jeff is on a first-name basis with Scott.  If it's early, that would be pretty interesting, I think.

  •  First instance on GOPUSA? and in public? (none)
    Using Google to search only for instances of the "Gannon", I've found "articles" (for lack a better word) that date back before Feb. 28th.

    All are bylined as:
    By Jeff Gannon
    GOPUSA News

    I can not tell if he was actually at these event though:

    February 5, 2003: Bush Pays Tribute to Columbia Crew
    Gannon describes events in Crawford

    February 4, 2003: White House Details BioShield
    This seems to based on a press release

    January 17, 2003: New Senators Get Pentagon Briefing; Clinton Absent
    This one mentions a press breifing, 'When asked at a press briefing if there was a reason no Democrat Senators participated, Moore said, "No. Of course they were invited, we do everything here on a bipartisan basis, as you know."'

    When I cross-referenced it found this:

    Q:  Mr. secretary, could you tell us, some Democratic members were also invited and didn't come.  Did they say why?

    Moore:  No.  We just extended the invitation and they had conflicts.  But they were invited.  Of course they were invited.  We do everything here on a bipartisan basis, as you know.


    The question was a little short, but does sound like a Gannon question.

    The next question is this:

    Q:  Speaking of saving money, the secretary said yesterday that he needs more, that the high cost of the buildup in the gulf and the fact that Congress failed to pass the $10 billion amount that they asked for fighting the war on terror has left them in a bind.   They're robbing Peter to pay Paul.  Did he make the case for a supplemental?  And how do you-all feel about that?

    A little complex for Gannon, but still a leading question which is his style.

    The first question appears in Gannon's "article" linked above and touched on the second.

    Is there video of this press event?

    Has someone already established the first appearance of Gannon on GOPUSA? And/or his first public appearance in the Press Corp?

    This January 15, 2003 article is the earliest one I can find:
    U.S. to Oppose Libya as U.N. Rights Chair
      By Jeff Gannon
      GOPUSA News
      January 15, 2003
    It references "a briefing to the press" from "State Department spokesman Richard Boucher". Was this a writien briefing or a live event, and if the latter, was Gannon there?

    I could not find any postings from 2002, so January 2003 seems to be when he appeared at GOPUSA.

  •  Suggestion (none)
    Though it's great to have the zoomed in version...please include a copy of the unzoomed picture to show where it came from. :)  Not to mention, if possible, a link to the original source -- so they don't say we're just photoshopping images.

    Not that I don't believe this, not one bit...

    Even Lt. Chekov knew how to say 'nuclear'..even if he couldn't say 'vessels'.

    by Stymnus on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 10:57:05 AM PST

    •  Gannon Posts (none)

      SENATE COVERAGE -- (September / October '04)

        Posted by Jeff Gannon to OXENinFLA
      On News/Activism 09/17/2004 6:25:04 AM PDT · 123 of 222

      Scott is hitting his stride now. Just in time.

      Looking at Gannons post here to OXEN makes me wonder which postees know/knew Gannon Personally ahem, Privately. Scott is hitting his stride all right.

    •  All you need to do is (none)
      Check the video! It's on there for anyone to see
    •  Sorry (none)
      This got posted in the wrong thread.  Serves me right for having multiple Kos windows open at once :)

      This was meant for the hard pass thread...I suggested if someone posts a tiny picture of a blurred lanyard pass they need to show the larger image to put it into perspective.. :)

      Even Lt. Chekov knew how to say 'nuclear'..even if he couldn't say 'vessels'.

      by Stymnus on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 12:45:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why doesn't this surprise me? (none)
    I think it's pretty pathetic when a bunch of amateur journalists writing blogs parttime has to do the job of turning up a fraud like Guckert for "real", accredited, college-educated journalists who should've been able to spot this rancid turd floating in their press pool. Of course, the Bush-whacked White House press corps as a whole has for years been softer on the Madministration than Guckert's cock after an allnighter with the Marine Marching Band.


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